ties for $171,000. That will come out as a line item. We will approve that or disapprove it. If we approve it, it goes back and then when the purchase for land is made, they clear it in the usual way. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Through following the usual routine? Mr. DUCANDER. Only to this extent: In the past, the committee has authorized a lump sum to the Department of Defense. The only hold the committee had on it after we authorized the lump-sum authorization was that they submitted the projects to the committee for consultation. We farmed them out to the committee members and if we heard no objection in 30 days, then it was all right for the Department to go ahead. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Then the new policy is, instead of the lump-sum authorization they will now submit to us the projects. Mr. DUCANDER. That are in the bill, just like in the public works bill. Mr. BRAY. I would like to ask this question: How about armory construction? I specifically refer to the National Guard facilities. In each instance the State has appropriated their money and there has been established a priority. Mr. BROOKS. $35 million in the hands of the States at the present time for use in armory National Gurd construction. Mr. BRAY. For instance, what is going to be and what is the status of those armories for which, in the past, the States have appropriated money and which were already in the bill as drawn by the Defense Department temporarily-reappropriating the money! How about those armories? The reason I ask that question is that I notice here the armory in Valparaiso. I notice in my own State there are three armories that already have been approved. Mr. BROOKS. Approved by the committee. If they are approved by the committee, they are still approved. That is the reason why we took the armories in three particular installations. They were in such shape that the approval would run out before the money could be spent and that is because the money was not handed to the Department in time to be spent before the end of the fiscal year. So as to protect those three and they wouldn't be lost, we put them in the bill, especially. But other than that, every single item that has been approved by the committee for which funds have been voted, is O. K. Mr. BRAY. I don't know whether I should pursue this with the general at this time, but before we finish with this matter, I do want to find out the status of those projects. Mr. DUCANDER. Mr. Bray, we have Colonel Taylor here from the National Guard Bureau. Following the general, we will have him up. Mr. BRAY. Thank you. Mr. BROOKS. Let me suggest this: There is here, and I think you will find it upon every desk, a mimeographed statement and you will find a chart on the back of that with a diagram showing the need of Reserve Forces facilities. That, however, is the Defense Department and I think there is a similar chart covering the National Guard and the Reserve somewhere. Mr. BRAY. I wish to call attention to the fact that that does not give any specific units or States. Mr. BROOKS. We are just trying to establish the overall need for a program for the Reserve, for the Army and for the Army National Guard. Mr. DUCANDER. These mimeographed copies that you have before you, one entitled "Army Reserve, United States Army Reserve Centers," and the other, "Army National Guard Armories," are the lists of the priority projects of the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve that the committee at its last meeting asked the Department to send up here as a possible amendment to this bill. Mr. BROOKS. Let the general go ahead. I think he can clear up everything very briefly. General PALLADINO. Mr. Chairman, you have a copy of the statement which was inserted in the record and if you will turn to chart 1 on the back, there, I think you will be able to follow my remarks much easier and then I will refer to chart 2 when I complete chart 1. You will note on this chart 1 that no new construction starts in this program were made until fiscal year 1953. During the period up to 1953, 45 centers were completed from funds which were made available under Public Law 218 for fiscal year 1950. In fiscal year 1953, there were 31 construction starts. There are only 10 in 1954, and 16 in 1955. In fiscal year 1956, we had 58 construction starts and in fiscal year 1957 we had 65 starts. This gave the United States Army Reserve a grand total of 180 centers constructed or under construction by the end of fiscal year 1957 under Public Law 783. During fiscal year 1958 we plan an estimated 83 new starts. Of these, 59 were under construction as of this noon. That is, contracts have been awarded. Mr. BROOKS. Fifty-nine or forty-nine? General PALLADINO. Fifty-nine at noon today have been awarded. Mr. BROOKS. As of noon today, 59? General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. Accomplishment in new centers started in fiscal year 1957 and in 1958, that will be equal to 128 percent of the awards for the previous 6 years. I am pleased to report that we have placed twenty-six, 1-unit modified-that is 100-man armories or centers under construction, and additional ones are scheduled for award. This is another step forward because these smaller buildings are located in communities where it is often difficult, if not impossible, to locate adequate leased space. Now, this second chart gives you a brief summation of the status of our construction funds under Public Law 783. Up to this date, a total of $105 million have been appropriated. You will note that by the end of fiscal year 1957 we had obligated $54 million of the $70 million which had been appropriated. At the end of the third quarter of fiscal year 1958, we had obligated a total of $62 million. The total estimate obligation for fiscal year 1958 is $21 million, which will bring us to a total of $75 million obligated by the end of fiscal year 1958. It is anticipated that $25 million of the remaining funds will be obligated in fiscal year 1959 and the balance of four-million-six-hundred-and-ninety-five-thousandodd dollars will be obligated in fiscal year 1960. Now, that is the status of our construction at the moment, Mr. Chairman. Mr. BROOKS. That is the status of construction, but what about the status of your needs? What kind of overall program do you have need for? General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. We feel that what I have explained to you up to now and the money that has been appropriated up to now will only take care of about 49 percent of our needs. We feel that we have gone about halfway through the program with this money, and starts. Mr. BROOKS. That is 50 percent of your needs? General PALLADINO. Just about. Mr. BROOKS. And you have spent how much money? General PALLADINO. That will make a total expenditure of $105 million, plus the amount that was spent under that previous law 218. We don't have the fund figures. Mr. DUCANDER. About $16 million. General PALLADINO. About $16 million. Mr. BROOKS. That would be about $122 million? General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. Mr. BROOKS. If then construction remained the same, your needs would be for about $121 million more? General PALLADINO. That is right. Mr. BROOKS. And your need is for about twice the number of armories you have at the present time? General PALLADINO. That is our analysis, spacewise. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Give us a target date on the completion of the ultimate number, a year, 2 years, at your present pace. General PALLADINO. We have to figure the new troop program will take about 2 years to implement. I would say maybe 5 years or so at the most, around there. Mr. BROOKS. May I say for the benefit of the committee that when the Navy testified it was shown that the Navy needed $25 million more and that the Navy at the present rate could easily finish in 2 years. It was shown that the Air Force was in excellent shape, as I remember-85 or 90 percent of the construction had been met, and the Marine Corps was all right, but it was shown that the Army Reserve, it would take 5 or 6 years to finish up. Is that correct? General PALLADINO. I would prefer to take that time so we could build where we want to build and not rush into this thing. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Isn't it true, Mr. Chairman, that the Army just about started from scratch in this program? General PALLADINO. As far as the Army Reserve is concerned, we started absolutely from scratch. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Whereas the Navy started immediately after World War II, the Marines did the same thing, and the Air Force started in 1949 or 1950. Mr. BROOKS. Unless we give you further authorization in this bill, the Army Reserve program will have to live off of the fat already obtained. In other words, the authorization is already approved. General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. Mr. BROOKS. And will continue until that is consumed. Now, do you have a copy of this list here entitled "Army Reserve (U. S. Army Reserve Centers)," with the first item being "Batavia, N. Y., training facilities, $171,000"? General PALLADINO. Yes, sir. Mr. BROOKS. Is that a list of the immediate priority facilities of the Army Reserve? General PALLADINO. That is right. This list is for $5 million, and every one of these projects are fully justified projects that we could build immediately in case we had the funds and the authorization. Mr. BROOKS. Tell me this: Does this list have priority? Does it have a high priority in Reserve construction on your part? General PALLADINO. It definitely has a high priority, but we have others in the mill now that have a higher priority than this particular list. Mr. BROOKS. But you mean this list has the highest priority of those not in the mill? General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. The least amount of this list-the weakest in the list is 99 percent qualified. By that I mean if it is a 100-man armory, 99 men are already in that unit training in that particular town. Mr. BROOKS. This list has priority for early construction, and it is a list submitted at the request of the committee, by yourself, from the Army Reserve; is that correct? General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. Mr. BROOKS. Now, this will total $5 million? General PALLADINO. That is right, sir. Mr. BROOKS. Now, can you tell us about the Army National Guard? Mr. DUCANDER. That is Colonel Taylor. Mr. BROOKS. Before you leave, General, we have some questions. Mrs. ST. GEORGE. Where is that list, Mr. Chairman? Mr. BROOKS. This is a priority list. Mrs. ST. GEORGE. The top priority, though. Mr. DUCANDER. The others have already been authorized. General PALLADINO. The top-priority items are those we already have the money for and are already in the bill. You have approved them. Mr. BROOKS. This is the top priority for the unauthorized projects? General PALLADINO. That is right. Mr. BROOKS. There is nothing higher on your list of unauthorized projects than these? General PALLADINO. That is right. Mrs. ST. GEORGE. Would the General like to see these authorized? I guess that is the whole argument. General PALLADINO. Yes, sir. Mr. BROOKS. If we don't proceed with these items, will the Reserve training program suffer, or the Army? General PALLIDINO. It will suffer in that it will hold us that much further back. In other words, we have projects ready to go for next year, but then we will consume those projects and we will be looking for further authorizations to get going on. Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Ducander, do you have any questions? Mr. DUCANDER. Just 1 or 2, just to clear the record. On the list you have submitted, General, Batavia, N. Y., is your num ber one priority project not already authorized? General PALLADINO. No, sir. Mr. DUCANDER. You have just listed these alphabetically? General PALLADINO. This is listed alphabetically, that is correct. I could give you the priorities if you want them. Mr. DUCANDER. You have already cleared that up. The last one, "Land acquisition; training facilities, $419,000," can you explain that? General PALLADINO. That is a blank authorization for all these projects. By having a blank authorization we can go into any of these particular localities and pick up the land as fast as we can get it. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Either a little cheaper or more costly? General PALLADINO. We hope a little cheaper. Mr. VAN ZANDT. Mr. Chairman, I move at this time we include the recommended Army Reserve Training Center list in the bill. Mr. BROOKS. As a separate paragraph? Mr. VAN ZANDT. Yes. Mr. BROOKS. You have heard the motion. Any further questions from the witness? Is there any objection to including this as a separate paragraph in the proper place in the bill? If not, it is so ordered and we will include this $5 million worth of construction for the Army Reserve centers. Thank you very much, General. We will take up the National Guard now. Colonel Taylor, you have the information on the National Guard and you can see what we wish in the way of information from the Army Reserve. Could you give us the same information for the Army National Guard? Colonel TAYLOR. Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, I did not bring along any charts. If you so desire, I can give you a very short and quick résumé of the National Guard situation. Mr. BROOKS. Tell us what the guard still needs in its training program and how many armories have been constructed and how many are in the course of being constructed. Colonel TAYLOR. Very well, sir. At the end of June 1957, or fiscal year 1957, there had been 972 armories constructed or placed under contract which left a requirement of 932 to be constructed. It is planned and programed for this fiscal year that 94 armories will be constructed, leaving a balance, then, for future years of 838 to be constructed. Mr. BROOKS. Now, of the 900 which have already been constructed, how many have been constructed under this Federal program and how many under the State program if you could tell us? Colonel TAYLOR. Sir, approximately 900 were found to be adequate at the time of the original survey in 1952. There have been 932 constructed under this program since the passage of this Public Law 783. Mr. BROOKS. You have 1,800 armories now under the program, 900 constructed by the States and 900 constructed under this program? Colonel TAYLOR. That is correct, sir, approximately. Mr. BROOKS. You need about 900 more and you hope to get 100 this year? Colonel TAYLOR. Yes, sir; 94 this year in the program. Mr. BROOKS. So that you will need about 800 more to complete your program? Colonel TAYLOR. In round numbers; yes, sir. Mr. BROOKS. Under the present rate of construction, how long will your program continue to run before you have the needed guard facilities? |