0 nder rail of a chis nner. just ords. one thes Mr. ADDONIZIO. If we never begin, Mr. St Germain, we will never get any. Mr. ST GERMAIN. That is right. But the cities that are not chosen, I think we should hold out some hope to them that, should success be met with in this type of a project, that there might be hope for them in the future. Otherwise, why call it a demonstration? Usually, if you are going to have a demonstration, it is to demonstrate that it will work, and once it is demonstarated that it can work, once it has been done successfully, then you say we go on in the future and continue this, and try to even improve it. Would that be your opinion, Mr. Mayor Mr. ADDONIZIO. Yes; I certainly would like Mr. ST GERMAIN (Continuing). As to what we should hope for in this area? Mr. ADDONIZIO. I would like to see this program continued, because I know firsthand the problems that I have in my city, and my city is no different than New York or Chicago or any of the major cities of this country. Mr. ST GERMAIN. Mr. Mayor, you say you have been working and your people have been working on a proposed plan to submit to the Department of HUD in order to qualify as one of the cities. I wonder if you and your very worthy staff have found any problems with the way the guidelines are written in the act as to what you will have to provide to HUD to prove to them that you are qualified, and that you meet the criteria. I think this is a very, very important matter. And I think that you with your experience, Mr. Mayor, in the Congress, and with the very competent staff which you evidently have, could give us some good advice in this area. Mr. ADDONIZIO. Mr. Giacchino will answer that. Mr. GIACCHINO. I think that you have recognized Mr. BARRETT. May I interpose just for this one thing: I want to get the benefit of your knowledge and the knowledge of your staff, but I do have to indicate that the time has run. Mr. ST GERMAIN. That is my last question, Mr. Chairman. I feel that this is important. I wonder if we could not ask the mayor and his staff, Mr. Giacchino and the rest of the staff, to be gracious enough to provide the members of this subcommittee with their answer to this particular question, so that in considering the legislation we can have the benefit of your voice and your experience. Mr. ADDONIZIO. We would be happy to submit it in writing to the committee. Mr. ST GERMAIN. And it will give you more time and be of more benefit to us. Mr. ADDONIZIO. Yes, sir. Mr. BARRETT. Do you now have your questions? Mr. ST GERMAIN. I would submit that they can do a good job for us. Mr. BARRETT. Mayor, I am sure your staff would be willing to answer any questions that any of the members submit to you in writing. Mr. ST GERMAIN. I would like to make one observation to the mayor. He says he has got the support of both major political parties. I am wondering if you are in trouble with the constabulary, since you have been trying to take their job away from them chasing bandits? Mr. ADDONIZIO. I assure you that I am not so brave, I just happened to be there, it was a natural inclination, and after the shots were fired I was trying to dig a deep hole. Mr. ST GERMAIN. We were reading about you. Mr. BARRETT. We certainly want to thank you for your splendid testimony, you and your staff. The committee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. (Whereupon, at 12:25 p.m., the subcommittee adjourned to reconvene at 10 a.m., Wednesday, March 2, 1966.) Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to recess, at 10 a.m., in room 2128, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. William A. Barrett (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Present: Representatives Barrett, Mrs. Sullivan, Ashley, Moorhead, Mr. BARRETT. The committee will come to order. Our first witness this morning will be the Honorable Jerome P. Cavanagh, of Detroit, president, National League of Cities, and vice president, U.S. Conference of Mayors. Mr. Mayor, we are certainly glad to have you here this morning. And if you desire to read your statement, you may do so, and we will ask you questions when you have done so. STATEMENT OF HON. JEROME P. CAVANAGH, MAYOR OF DETROIT, MICH.; ACCOMPANIED BY ROBERT D. KNOX, DIRECTOR-SECRETARY, DETROIT HOUSING COMMISSION Mr. CAVANAGH. Mr. Chairman, if it is the pleasure of the chairman and the members of the committee, I will proceed with my statement. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, my name is Jerome P. Cavanagh. I am mayor of the city of Detroit, and I am pleased to appear before you on behalf of our residents and as president of the National League of Cities, an organization of 13,500 member cities, large and small, and as vice president of the U.S. Conference of Mayors, which represents cities over 30,000 population. I am sure you have heard this before, but I would like to emphasize right at the outset that the cities of our country, the cities of America, are in need of great help. This committee responded to past appeals by giving increasing recognition to the wide range of needs generated by the tremendous expansion of America's urbanized areas and the age and decay which is a fact of city life. As a public official charged with the administration of the Nation's fifth largest city, I have come to know what some of those problems are and the limitations of local ability to grapple with them. 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And I would say now we way your waring review of this important pročiem, but more importam your approva The ineen of the demonstration cities is one with which I am famCar. It came up during the discussions held by the President's Task Forge on Croan and Metropolitan Problems on which I was pleased to serve back in 1984. We have used the demonstration technique to good advantage in this country. What we are seeking to demonstrate through this new program is that the cities of America have a future. They still have vitality. They still act as the port of entry for the new urban residents from the farm and from abroad. They still contain much that is good and in President Johnson's words "aggravate the worst." We can prove that this country not only will be able to walk in outer space but that our cities can be places where we can walk in dignity and live in pride and in happiness. The broad goals before us, however, must be measured against the vehicle at hand, the Demonstration Cities Act. In the spirit of cooperation, I would like to present to you our observations concerning the legislation and the objectives which we all share. Our comments are offered with a view to improve the legislation by increasing the effectiveness of the proposed programs. First, I believe it is important not to try to set up a national competition which might only stimulate envy and unhappiness among those cities not designated as "demonstration cities." The allocation of grants should be on a first-come, first-served basis. The President's message spoke of a limited group of 60 to 70 cities who would participate in the program. There should be no fixed limit on how many cities may attempt to qualify, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development, administering this program, should only town general guidelines assuring that participating communities sentative as to geographical distribution and population sizes. There is much to be said for a national competition of excellence in planning and programing the massive projects required in each city seeking to be selected for this national program. It will create great community spirit and awarenessc of the stakes. I might add parenthetically that in our city, Detroit, we have already begun just such a community organization effort. On February 8 a meeting of community leaders was held to mobilize our residents and business and labor and educational leadership. There was unanimous agreement to seek to be selected as one of the demonstration cities, and a resolution setting up an organization committee was passed on motion by Mr. Walker Cisler, chairman of the board of the Detroit Edison Co. And I think that indicates as well as anything I can mention the great community support which this idea has, because originally the suggestion to call such a meeting came from the very distinguished Walter Reuther, president of the United Automobile Workers. We had business labor leadership and management leadership represented at that meeting. While we are organizing in this fashion to assure total community support and involvement, it may well be that other cities will find this gearing up phase more difficult. We have many qualified people in the public and private sector whom we can call upon for assistance in drafting the comprehensive Detroit blueprint for the demonstration city. But other cities may not be able to do so as readily. We feel that planning for this program can be started immediately, and, as we did in our preparation for the antipoverty program, we will be ready for action programs when the legislative process is completed. We feel further that objective criteria can be included by legislative mandate and administrative determination. There is no need to set up a competition or a judging through panels of the merit of a city's submission. There will be the requirement of a comprehensive plan to right the ills of a major area within the community to assure that both physical and social renewal will take place. I know the city of Detroit is prepared to meet such objective criteria, and I feel sure the other mayors who will testify on this proposal are in accord with the idea that a national competition is not a necessity. Second, aside from the "first come, first served" view I have just expressed, there is the need to recognize the real possibility that existing Federal programs are not adequately funded to do the job. Thus, if urban renewal funds are to be further depleted by being allocated to demonstration cities, there will be an unfortunate "magnetizing" of existing funds to the detriment of other cities. The inadequacy of funds available for urban renewal, neighborhood facilities, manpower retraining, antipoverty community action programs, Hill-Burton hospital construction and modernization funds, Elementary and Secondary Education Act funds, urban beautification and open space, water and sewer facilities-to name just a few-these funds will be inadequate to do what is proposed here. The effect is twofold. Not only is there not enough money to fund existing programs to be used in the target areas of the demonstration cities, but there is not enough money for the complementary programs required to mount a comprehensive attack. To illustrate: In urban renewal today, as I am sure you gentlemen know, there is a backlog roughly estimated at $800 million. Assuming that an urban renewal |