Let's see precisely what transpired.

General Cook. Yes.

Mr. FORD. Also, the same for fiscal year 1960. Those are the only 2 years where this policy or procedure has been followed?

General CoоK. Yes.

1 Represents funds apportioned of $695,000 receipts which were transferred to the appropriation.

Mr. FORD. One further question.

We have a procedure here between the committee and the Defense Department whereby, if there are any reprogramings-that means changes between what was justified and executed-the committee is notified.

It would appear to me this would be an instance where the committee ought to be notified if you get $604,900, or $695,000, in any one fiscal year. We ought to at least be notified what has been done. Mr. WEST. I understand the committee was notified last year.

Mr. FORD. I think it would be well to continue this policy of notification if this policy is carried out in fiscal year 1961, or any subsequent fiscal years.

Mr. WEST. Yes, sir.

TREND OF MILITARY AND CIVILIAN PERSONNEL

Mr. FORD. I notice on page 6 of your justification sheet that you have gone down 88 positions for military personnel between fiscal year 1960 and what you estimate for fiscal year 1962.

Can you do better in this regard? Do you need military personnel up there to the extent of 322 in fiscal 1962?

General Cook. Our plan is to phase out the military personnel. Mr. FORD. This is a phasing-out program?

General COOK. That is correct, sir.

We originally started with roughly 1,000 military, and it is now down to 322. It is a phaseout program.

Mr. FORD. How much longer will it take?

General Cook. Three years is contemplated.

Mr. FORD. Can you show for the record what it was at its peak? General Cook. Yes, sir.

Mr. FORD. And how much you have actually reduced it over this phasing-out period?

General Cook. Yes, sir.

Mr. FORD. And at the same time show what the trend has been with your civilian employment.

General Cook. Yes, sir.

Mr. FORD. For the same years.

General Cook. Yes, sir.

Mr. WEAVER. Could you tell me what the yellow line through Canada indicates?

General Cook. That is the open wire line along the Alcan Highway. Mr. WEAVER. Who is that maintained by?

General Cook. By the Canadian Government.

LEASE OF FACILITIES FROM CANADIAN GOVERNMENT

Mr. WEAVER. Now, according to your statement, the blue and yellow dashed lines are the facilities being provided by the Canadian Government and will be completed July 1, 1961, and will be operated under lease by the Department of the Army.

General Cook. Yes, sir. That is correct. It is expected to be finished July 1, 1961.

Mr. WEAVER. Will you comment generally on the provisions of the lease contract that you have in that regard with the Canadian Government?

General Cook. It is a 15-year contractural arrangement, sir, for the maintenance of this particular system through Canada. The system is primrily tropospheric scatter and microwave, and it will give you greatly increased capacity over the old open wire lines.

Mr. WEAVER. How much remuneration does the Canadian Government receive from the Department of the Army?

General Cook. Approximately $6 million a year, sir.

Mr. WEAVER. On page 4 at the bottom of your statement you state that you are requesting approximately $1 million less for fiscal year 1962 than you did for fiscal year 1961, and you state that the reason for the decrease is the discontinuance of the lease and use of the open wire circuits in Canada.

General Cook. Right.

Mr. WEAVER. In your next paragraph you say your request provides for an increase for additional civilians and so forth.

I could not reconcile in one instance why you ask for $1 million less, and yet your request provides for additional increased costs. General Cook. Yes, sir.

There is a decrease of $650,000 in communication equipment projects. Part of this decrease, sir, is offset by the increase for the civilian personnel.

IDENTIFICATION OF INCREASE OF $170,000

Mr. WEAVER. Then on the last page of your statement you ask for $170,000 for communication supplies and replacement of wornout vehicles, furniture, and equipment.

Can you give me the breakdown for each of the items?

General Cook. Included in the $170,000, sir, is civilian personnel payments, travel and transportation, communication equipments, leases, rents and utilities, and that I believe will total the $170,000.

Mr. WEAVER. That is not according to the way the statement reads. The statement says the money is for communication supplies, replacements of wornout vehicles, furniture, and equipment.

General Cook. There are two items totaling that.

There is $7,900 for maintenance of the system; $162,300 for the operation of the system. Those two figures will give you the $170,000.

Mr. WEAVER. That does not describe what your statement says. Your statement says the $170,000 is for communication supplies and replacement of wornout vehicles, furniture, and equipment.

All I would like to know is, what is the breakdown for those three items?

General Cook. For miscellaneous supplies, $20,600.

The POL, $74,400.

For vehicles, $65,000.

For office supplies, household furnishings and the like for the office, $10,000.

Mr. WEAVER. Where did you get the other set of figures?

You have given me three sets that I assume all come to $170,000. General Cook. This page is not furnished to you.

I am sorry, I can put it in the record if you desire.

Mr. WEAVER. I am curious now why you gave me three sets of figures and they all come to $170,000.

General Cook. I think we are explaining it in a different way.

Mr. WEAVER. None of those items, except in the last breakdown, come close to your description of what the $170,000 is for.

General Cook. I really misunderstood your question. We will give you the breakdown for the record.

Mr. WEAVER. That is all I want, the $170,000 for those three things, and I would like a breakdown.

MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF REAL PROPERTY

Mr. WEAVER. Can you give me any further breakdown on item d on page 6 of the $101,0000 for maintenance and repair of real property?

Tell me specifically what that consists of-quarters or what?
Do you have a breakdown for each of these items?

General Cook. Yes, sir.

Mr. WEAVER. I wish you would supply that for the record. (The information requested follows:)

Maintenance and repair of real property

Deferred maintenance:

Tok: New foundation for 6 family quarters___.
Glenallen: Level and repair duplex family quarters‒‒‒‒
Juneau :

Rehabilitate bachelor quarters..

Rehabilitate water system---

Ketchikan :

Repair transmitter building--
Reroof buildings----

Total, deferred maintenance___

Minor maintenance:

Fairbanks Reroof 8 family quarters_.

Anchorage: Rewire 8 family quarters--.

Sheep Mountain: Replace condensate return line_
Various Painting of family quarters---

Total minor maintenance_

Total-----

Mr. WEAVER. On page 5 of your statement under "A" and "B" where you have specific amounts of $206,000 in item A and $220,000 in item B, I was wondering why those were not consolidated since you state that the amounts are for personnel compensation and benefits. Why were they separated?

General Cook. We are talking here, sir, about two types of personnel. In the case of the $206,000 these are operator type personnel; in the case of $220,000 it is maintenance personnel primarily, sir. Mr. WEAVER. That is all I have. Thank you.

Mr. MAHON. Are there any further questions on Alaska communications?

RELATIONSHIP WITH DEFENSE COMMUNICATION AGENCY

Mr. ANDREWS. I have one, Mr. Chairman.

General, we had before us yesterday the Defense Communication Agency, which was established under directive of the Department of Defense. They pointed out what they planned to do and were doing. They showed that they planned a command station in Alaska as one of their nine worldwide command centers.

What jurisdiction, if any, will that agency have over the Alaska Communication system?

General Cook. The Alaska Communication System as depicted on this map including both the green, yellow, yellow and blue, and the red, sir, again represents some of these facilities which should be properly managed, if you will, by a coordinated entity for greatest maximum flexibility.

Mr. ANDREWS. That is what the Defense Communication Agency was created for.

General Cook. Yes, sir.

Mr. WEAVER. I want to know, when they established their command station in Alaska, what effect will it have on your agency?

General Cook. As far as the ACS is concerned, it is not specifically known. However, the Alaska Communication System is a component of the Defense Communication System and is, therefore, under the operational control and supervision of the Defense Communication Agency. This control and supervision will be exercised through their control station in Alaska.

Mr. ANDREWS. That is all.

Mr. MAHON. Thank you very much, gentlemen.