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ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION AND THE CRIMINAL
MISUSE AND AVAILABILITY OF MACHINEGUNS
AND SILENCERS

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

ON

H.R. 641 and Related Bills

ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION AND THE CRIMINAL MISUSE AND
AVAILABILITY OF MACHINEGUNS AND SILENCERS

MAY 17, 24 AND JUNE 27, 1984

Serial No. 153

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

CIS RECORD ONLY:

STANFORD

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UNIVERSITY

JUN 1986

LIBRARIES

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

PETER W. RODINO, JR., New Jersey, Chairman

JACK BROOKS, Texas
ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin
DON EDWARDS, California
JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan
JOHN F. SEIBERLING, Ohio
ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky
WILLIAM J. HUGHES, New Jersey
SAM B. HALL, JR., Texas
MIKE SYNAR, Oklahoma
PATRICIA SCHROEDER, Colorado
DAN GLICKMAN, Kansas

BARNEY FRANK, Massachusetts
GEO. W. CROCKETT, JR., Michigan
CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York
BRUCE A. MORRISON, Connecticut
EDWARD F. FEIGHAN, Ohio
LAWRENCE J. SMITH, Florida
HOWARD L. BERMAN, California
FREDERICK C. BOUCHER, Virginia

HAMILTON FISH, JR., New York
CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, California
HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois
THOMAS N. KINDNESS, Ohio
HAROLD S. SAWYER, Michigan
DAN LUNGREN, California

F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR.,
Wisconsin

BILL MCCOLLUM, Florida
E. CLAY SHAW, JR., Florida
GEORGE W. GEKAS, Pennsylvania
MICHAEL DEWINE, Ohio

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Kramer, Samuel, deputy director, National Engineering Laboratory, National
Bureau of Standards.

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Prepared statement

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Lapierre, Wayne, director, Federal affairs, National Rifle Association.

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Prepared statement

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Larkin, Isaiah, program associate, National Organization of Black Law En-
forcement Executives

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Prepared statement

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Moynihan, Hon. Donald Patrick, a U.S. Senator from the State of New York...
Prepared statement

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Prepared statement

Owen, Edward, chief, Firearms Technology Branch, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firemans, Department of the Treasury.

Powis, Robert E., Deputy Assistant Secretary for Enforcement, Department of the Treasury..

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Stephens, Jay B., Deputy Associate Attorney General, Department of Justice..
Prepared statements.

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140, 261

Stone, Art, vice chairman, national legislative committee, Fraternal Order of
Police

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Prepared statement

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Prepared statement

Prepared statement

Tighe, John H., chief of police, Pembroke Pines, Broward County, FL.

Walker, John M., Jr., Assistant Secretary, Enforcement and Operations, Department of the Treasury

Zimmerman, Donald, deputy associate director, Law Enforcement

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ADDITIONAL MATERIAL

Hughes, Hon. William J., chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, opening statement...

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A resolution of the New York's City Council's support of this hearing submitted by Hon. Mario Biaggi

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Law executive directors to Hon. Daniel P. Moynihan, letter dated April 16, 1984.

Statement of the Hon. Joseph G. Minish, New Jersey, 11th District.
Statement of the Hon. Silvio O. Conte, Massachusetts, 1st District.
Statement of the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO) in
support of H.R. 953 ..

Statement by Donald E. Fraher, legislative director, Handgun Control, Inc....
American Law Division, Congressional Reference Service, Library of Con-
gress, to Hon. Mario Biaggi, Attn: Craig Floyd, letter dated November 27,
1984.

William J. Hughes, chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, to Stephen Higgins, Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, letter dated May 16, 1984, with attachments..

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Stephen E. Higgins, Director, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, to Hon. William J. Hughes, chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, letter dated May 22, 1984, with enclosures..

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Statement of the Hon. John D. Dingell, Michigan, 16th District, in support of
H.R. 5845....

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Test procedure for armor-piercing handgun ammunition, prepared by U.S.
Department of Commerce, May 1984.

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Diagrams of three types of ammunition..

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Statement by Thomas W. Doyle, FLEOA national executive vice president
and legislative cochairman on H.R. 5835, dated June 27, 1984.
Additional statements made for the record...

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ARMOR PIERCING

AMMUNITION

AND THE

CRIMINAL MISUSE AND AVAILABILITY OF MACHINEGUNS AND SILENCERS

THURSDAY, MAY 17, 1984

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME,
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY,
Washington, DC.

The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:15 a.m., in room 2237, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. William J. Hughes (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Hughes, Smith, Shaw, and Sensenbren

ner.

Staff present: Hayden W. Gregory, counsel; Eric E. Sterling, Edward H. O'Connell, and Virginia Sloan, assistant counsel; Thereas A. Bourgeois, staff assistant; Charlene Vanlier, associate counsel; and Phyllis N. Henderson, clerical staff.

Mr. HUGHES. The Subcommittee on Crime will come to order.

The Chair has received a request to cover this hearing in whole or in part by television broadcast, radio broadcast, still photography, or by other similar methods. In accordance with committee rule 5(a), permission will be granted, unless there is objection. Is there objection?

[No response.]

Mr. HUGHES. Hearing none, permission is granted.

Let me first apologize for the delay, but Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and myself formed a Congressional Crime Caucus, bipartisan in nature, in which my colleagues are members, and are appearing as witnesses. Unfortunately, the conference went over somewhat. So I extend my apologies to my most distinguished colleagues who I know have all kinds of things to do.

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