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ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION AND THE CRIMINAL

MISUSE AND AVAILABILITY OF MACHINEGUNS
AND SILENCERS

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

ON

H.R. 641 and Related Bills
ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION AND THE CRIMINAL MISUSE AND

AVAILABILITY OF MACHINEGUNS AND SILENCERS

MAY 17, 24 AND JUNE 27, 1984

Serial No. 153

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

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WASHINGTON : 1986

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

PETER W. RODINO, JR., New Jersey, Chairman JACK BROOKS, Texas

HAMILTON FISH, JR., New York ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, California DON EDWARDS, California

HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan

THOMAS N. KINDNESS, Ohio JOHN F. SEIBERLING, Ohio

HAROLD S. SAWYER, Michigan ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky

DAN LUNGREN, California WILLIAM J. HUGHES, New Jersey

F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., SAM B. HALL, JR., Texas

Wisconsin MIKE SYNAR, Oklahoma

BILL MCCOLLUM, Florida PATRICIA SCHROEDER, Colorado

E. CLAY SHAW, JR., Florida DAN GLICKMAN, Kansas

GEORGE W. GEKAS, Pennsylvania BARNEY FRANK, Massachusetts

MICHAEL DEWINE, Ohio
GEO. W. CROCKETT, JR., Michigan
CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York
BRUCE A. MORRISON, Connecticut
EDWARD F. FEIGHAN, Ohio
LAWRENCE J. SMITH, Florida
HOWARD L. BERMAN, California
FREDERICK C. BOUCHER, Virginia

ALAN A. PARKER, General Counsel

GARNER J. CLINE, Staff Director
ALAN F. COFFEY, JR., Associate Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME

WILLIAM J. HUGHES, New Jersey, Chairman CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York

HAROLD S. SAWYER, Michigan BRUCE A. MORRISON, Connecticut

E. CLAY SHAW, JR., Florida EDWARD F. FEIGHAN, Ohio

F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., LAWRENCE J. SMITH, Florida

Wisconsin
HAYDEN W. GREGORY, Counsel
ERIC E. STERLING, Assistant Counsel
CHARLENE VANLIER, Associate Counsel

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WITNESSES

Baker, Jim, deputy director, Governmental Affairs Division, National Rifle

Association.....

90

Biaggi, Hon. Mario, a Representative in Congress from the State of New

York ..

23, 236

Prepared statements.

43, 56, 240

Brooks, Hon. Jack, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas....... 214

Prepared statement

216

Darwick, Norman, executive director, International Association of Chiefs of

Police ..

316

Prepared statement

328

Epps, Sterling B., national cochairman, legislative committee, National Asso-

ciation of Police Organizations ...

316

Prepared statement.

321

Harrington, John J., past national president, Fraternal Order of Police.

316

Prepared statement

340

Higgins, Stephen E., Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,

Department of the Treasury.

110

Prepared statement.

113

Kass, George, owner, Forensic Ammunition Service, Spring Arbor, MI..

286

Prepared statement.

303

Konstantin, David N., research associate, Police Executive Research Forum ..... 316

Prepared statement

336

Kramer, Samuel, deputy director, National Engineering Laboratory, National

Bureau of Standards.

286

Prepared statement

295

Lapierre, Wayne, director, Federal affairs, National Rifle Association.

90

Prepared statement

93

Larkin, Isaiah, program associate, National Organization of Black Law En-

forcement Executives

83

Prepared statement

85

Moynihan, Hon. Donald Patrick, a U.S. Senator from the State of New York... 23

Prepared statement

36

Murphy, Edward, legislative counsel, International Brotherhood of Police Of-

ficers

Prepared statement

343

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Owen, Edward, chief, Firearms Technology Branch, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobac- Page co and Firemans, Department of the Treasury

62 Powis, Robert E., Deputy Assistant Secretary for Enforcement, Department of the Treasury.

62 Prepared statement

69 Stephens, Jay B., Deputy Associate Attorney General, Department of Justice .. 135 Prepared statements.

140, 261 Stone, Art, vice chairman, national legislative committee, Fraternal Order of Police ...

86 Prepared statement

88 Tighe, John H., chief of police, Pembroke Pines, Broward County, FL

154 Prepared statement

157 Walker, John M., Jr., Assistant Secretary, Enforcement and Operations, Department of the Treasury

247 Prepared statement

251 Zimmerman, Donald, deputy associate director, Law Enforcement

110

ADDITIONAL MATERIAL

Hughes, Hon. William J., chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, opening statement..

17 A resolution of the New York's City Council's support of this hearing submitted by Hon. Mario Biaggi

41 Law executive directors to Hon. Daniel P. Moynihan, letter dated April 16, 1984.

52 Relief Statistics for fiscal year 1984

124 Statement of the Hon. Joseph G. Minish, New Jersey, 11th District.

171 Statement of the Hon. Silvio 0. Conte, Massachusetts, 1st District

174, 355 Statement of the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO) in support of H.R. 953.

179 Statement by Donald E. Fraher, legislative director, Handgun Control, Inc...... 181 American Law Division, Congressional Reference Service, Library of Con

gress, to Hon. Mario Biaggi, Attn: Craig Floyd, letter dated November 27, 1984

188 William J. Hughes, chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, to Stephen Higgins,

Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, letter dated May 16, 1984, with attachments.

192 Stephen E. Higgins, Director, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, to Hon. William

J. Hughes, chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, letter dated May 22, 1984,
with enclosures.
Statement of the Hon. John D. Dingell, Michigan, 16th District, in support of
H.R. 5845....

232 Test procedure for armor-piercing handgun ammunition, prepared by U.S. Department of Commerce, May 1984.

288 Diagrams of three types of ammunition.

310 Statement by Thomas W. Doyle, FLEOA national executive vice president and legislative cochairman on H.R. 5835, dated June 27, 1984..

317 Additional statements made for the record ...

355

195

ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION AND THE CRIMINAL MISUSE AND AVAILABILITY OF MACHINEGUNS AND SILENCERS

THURSDAY, MAY 17, 1984

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME,
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY,

Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:15 a.m., in room 2237, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. William J. Hughes (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Hughes, Smith, Shaw, and Sensenbren

ner.

Staff present: Hayden W. Gregory, counsel; Eric E. Sterling, Edward H. O'Connell, and Virginia Sloan, assistant counsel; Thereas A. Bourgeois, staff assistant; Charlene Vanlier, associate counsel; and Phyllis N. Henderson, clerical staff.

Mr. HUGHES. The Subcommittee on Crime will come to order.

The Chair has received a request to cover this hearing in whole or in part by television broadcast, radio broadcast, still photography, or by other similar methods. In accordance with committee rule 5(a), permission will be granted, unless there is objection. Is there objection?

[No response.]
Mr. HUGHES. Hearing none, permission is granted.

Let me first apologize for the delay, but Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and myself formed a Congressional Crime Caucus, bipartisan in nature, in which my colleagues are members, and are appearing as witnesses. Unfortunately, the conference went over somewhat. So I extend my apologies to my most distinguished colleagues who I know have all kinds of things to do.

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