the purpose of encouraging the Indian women to come to the hospital in maternity cases?

Doctor KENNEDY. We do when we think they would come.

Senator WHEELER. Do you just go along the lines of least resistance and get along as easy as you can?

Doctor KENNEDY. No, sir; we do not shirk our duty.

Senator WHEELER. We built a hospital out there and we have a doctor and nurse out there who are supposed to encourage these people to come into the hospital and get the women in there in maternity cases.

Doctor KENNEDY. As I say they prefer to handle that themselves, even if they have been to school they do.

Doctor HAGERTY. That is a school hospital. That is for school children only. They do not encourage reservation cases, although the doctor will take some. All the maternity cases are sent to Shiprock. They come to this hospital. Doctor Kennedy looks after the school hospital and a certain part of the reservation territory, but all of the reservation work is done in the Shiprock hospital. That is where we have our equipment.

Senator WHEELER. All the surgical work?

Doctor HAGERTY. Yes, sir; it is a school hospital. He makes his trips out on the reservation and any territory calls that come to him. In regard to maternity cases being handled, we are at a decided disadvantage because by the time the woman is in labor and sends word in we can not get there in time to take care of the woman and the baby. The women know that; consequently we get calls after the baby is born rather than before. Doctor Kennedy gets those calls. And the cases are brought into the hospital after the baby is born rather than before. The roads, too, are bad. They can not get there. The baby is born and they come in afterwards. We take care of them then. It is a condition which only those working in the service understands. Laymen do not understand it.

Senator WHEELER. Do you not encourage these women to come to the hospital in maternity cases?

Doctor HAGERTY. Yes, sir; we do. That is a part of our educational program. All of the educated people come here and we have a special room well fitted up for them. We just got rid of 2 last week. We have had as many as 4, 5, or 6 in there at the same time. They are increasing every year, but it is a matter of education. They do not want to come to the hospital for several reasons. They have a family. The Navajo woman wants to get out of bed the day after the baby is born. We take her away from her family for at least 10 days. All of these reasons taken into account will discourage her coming into the hospital; but, at the same time with our educational program, which we are trying to carry out, we hope to get more and more women into the hospital.

Senator FRAZIER. What is the average size of the family here? Doctor HAGERTY. About 6; but then there are several that will have 9, 10, and 3 or 4 dead. That is, live children. The mortality under 2 years old is very heavy.

(Witness excused.)

H. O. WHITE was called as a witness, and, after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Mr. WHITE. I am principal of the Navajo day school. We have a phone in our house, and that is how I know how many Indians call Doctor Kennedy. His trips run all the way from 15 to 30 miles out in the country as well as trips to Shiprock. I have never known a time when Doctor Kennedy was called upon that he did not come, if he possibly could get through. I believe that most of the employees here will agree with me; there is not a white man on the reservation that the Indians have faith in as they have in Doctor Kennedy.

Senator FRAZIER. Thank you.

(Witness excused.)

CATO SELLS was called as a witness, and, after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Senator FRAZIER. You have a statement to make?.

Mr. SELLS. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. Whereabouts do you live?

Mr. SELLS. I live about a mile up here.

Senator FRAZIER. About a mile from the agency here?

Mr. SELLS. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. What statement do you want to make?

Mr. SELLS. I want to say a few words about the school. One thing, the water we get here is not fit to drink.

Senator FRAZIER. Yes; they made that statement. We are going to try to get it better.

Mr. SELLS. Yes; we want a little better water. The lights are bad.

Senator FRAZIER. They talked about the lights, too. going to try to get them fixed.

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Mr. SELLS. The lights will help a whole lot. It will not only get the work done, but it will be convenient to everybody. And the school buildings we have here, the school buildings are not big enough. Some of the kids are going over here at the clubs. They go to one of the rooms up there.

Senator FRAZIER. Up where?

Mr. SELLS. Up at one of the club buildings.

Senator FRAZIER. The classrooms are not big enough?

Mr. SELLS. Yes; and some of them are over here back of the laundry, some of the classrooms back there. So we would like to have a school big enough to accommodate the kids here at one place instead of running the schoolrooms all over the place.

Senator FRAZIER. It does not make so much difference about the different buildings if you have got good classrooms.

Mr. SELLS. Yes. I do not believe it is a good classroom by the laundry where all the machinery is. Up here at the club building there is people trying to work down below there; there is a kitchen there.

Senator FRAZIER. What else?

Mr. SELLS. He spoke about the dairy. The superintendent spoke about the dairy. He want a little more equipment for the dairy and improve the buildings.

Senator FRAZIER. Buildings for the dairy?

Mr. SELLS. Yes. They have a pretty good dairy down there.
Senator WHEELER. We can not hear you.

Mr. SELLS. We like to build a better dairy over here. They have a pretty good bunch of cattle over there. They have not got enough equipment.

Senator FRAZIER. Do you work here at the school?

Mr. SELLS. No.

Senator FRAZIER. The superintendent brought that up.

(Witness excused.)

WILLIAM ANAAH was called as a witness, and, after being first duly Sworn, testified as follows:

Senator FRAZIER. You have a statement you want to make to the committee?

Mr. ANAAH. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. Make it.

Mr. ANAAH. I would like to ask you a question about the old treaty land that has been given to the Navajo Indians.

Senator FRAZIER. The old treaty with the Navajo Indians?

Mr. ANAAH. Yes; the land that has been given to the Indians. Senator FRAZIER. What treaty do you refer to?

Mr. ANAAH. To this Navajo Reservation.

Senator FRAZIER. Do you know what year it was made?

Mr. ANAAH. About 1868. It was 40 miles long and 60 miles wide. Senator FRAZIER. I do not remember the provisions of the treaty. Mr. HAMMOND. 1868 is the Navajo treaty.

Mr. FARIS. A little better than 5,000 square miles, Senator. That has been quadrupled in additions, and so forth, since then.

Mr. ANAAH. And the strip they give back to them 20 years after that, it is only 50 miles north and south. I see it on the map. It ought to be longer. There is a gap in there for the white people. It is on the east line. It ought to be surveyed back.

Senator FRAZIER. You do not think you got all the land that was coming to you?

Mr. ANAAH. Yes, sir.

Senator WHEELER. Mr. Faris tells me the original treaty provided for 5,000 square miles. At the present time you have 23,500 square miles; so that your reservation has been increased over the treaty reservation four times.

Mr. ANAAH. It is over this way.

Senator WHEELER. Your treaty provided that you were to have 5,000 square miles?

Mr. ANAAH. Yes, sir.

Senator WHEELER. At the present time the Navajos have 23,500 square miles, over four times as much as the treaty provided for. Most Indians on most of the reservations have not near as much land as they originally had under their treaties, but in this instance, according to Mr. Faris, you have four times as much as your treaty provided for.

Mr. ANAAH. Yes, sir. It ought to be resurveyed, so we know where we stand with the white people.

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Senator WHEELER. You know where you stand. You have 23.000 square miles.

Senator FRAZIER. He thinks they are short over here in this direction.

Mr. ANAAH. On the east side.

Senator WHEELER. Do you mean the Piute strip?

Mr. ANAAH. The eastern side and north side the same way.
Mr. CHISCHILEGE. In the Piute strip?

Mr. ANAAH. It runs right up into the Piute strip. Up on the Ute Reservation. It runs back in there. You can see the stones piled there yet.

Senator FRAZIER. You take that up with the superintendent. We can not go into that now. Anything else?

Mr. ANAAH. That is all.

(Witness excused.)

Senator FRAZIER. The hearing will have to close, as we have to drive to Gallup to-night and get over to Fort Defiance in the morning.

If there is anyone here, either Indian or white, who has not had an opportunity to testify before the committee they may make their statement in writing or get some one else to make it for them. Send it to the committee down at Washington, and we will be glad to give it consideration and have it inserted in our record.

(At 4.50 o'clock p. m. the subcommittee adjourned.)

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