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been guilty of wrongdoing. betrayed their trust, and done things hurtful to the interests of the American people.

I do not know of anything that will be so appropriate for a campaign battle cry as "Turn the rascals out." Let us have a house cleaning in Washington. Go with me and let us pull the curtain aside and look into the Veterans' Bureau, where thousands upon hundreds of thousands of dollars were made out of fraudulent transactions at the expense of the boys of the country and the Government. As I said the other day, one man I am told said, “I defy him to indict me," talking about the Attorney General.

Go into the Post Office Department. I am going to undertake to show that the fraudulent use of the mail has been permitted, and that an investigation of the most gigantic land fraud ever perpetrated was carried on, but no final report was made in the case, and no prosecution of any was had, except of

one man.

Go into the Navy Department. There you have a Secretary of the Navy who is supposed to safeguard the fuel of the Navy, our national defense, and he has passed it over to the Interior Department, to another Republican official, What has he done with it? He has transferred it, and it has gone into the hands of two oil kings of the Nation.

Then, I ask, where is the Government's oil supply? Gone. It all is gone. Gone how? By the manipulation of Republican officials. What did the Senate say about it? That the transaction was born in fraud and corruption and was carried out in defiance of the established customs of the Government and in open violation of the country's law.

Mr. President, I am not going to take more time of the Senate this afternoon, but this Government has to be relieved. Senators, with all the earnestness of my soul, I appeal for deliverance from conditions which are now upon us.

I recall what Paul said: "Who will deliver me from the body of this death?"-this death of corruption and scandal in the Nation, tied onto the body politic, in the freest, best people in the world.

Senators, I summon you to the conflict. Let us fight together, regardless of parties, to drive unworthy and unfaithful officials from control in the land that we love.

Mr. MOSES obtained the floor.

Mr. REED of Missouri, Mr. President, will the Senator from New Hampshire yield to me for a moment?

Mr. MOSES. I yield.

Mr. REED of Missouri. I had intended to say something regarding this matter this afternoon. The day is practically gone, and I shall ask the attention of the Senate to-morrow on convening, but there is a matter to which I want to call attention to-night.

I understand that Mr. Doheny is still in town and that he is about to leave. Before he leaves this city I want to ask the committee to give him a thorough examination. I want to ask the committee, by direct and pointed questions, to inquire from Mr. Doheny whether he has ever at any time, either by himself directly, through his agents, or through his corporation, given or contributed any money to any person at the time holding a public position, and who the person is, or whether he has, immediately or shortly after discontinuance in office of any such public official, in the manner I have already specified, contributed or given any money to him.

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from New Hampshire yield to the Senator from Massachusetts? Mr. MOSES. If the Senator wishes to move to adjourn I can not yield. I wish to address the Senate briefly.

Mr. LODGE. The Senator is very hasty in saying what I mean to do. If I could get the floor I was going to move that the Senate proceed to the consideration of executive business. Mr. MOSES. I can not yield for that purpose either, Mr. President. Will the Senator withhold the motion for a moment?

Mr. LODGE. I withhold the motion.

Mr. MOSES. Mr. President, I have taken no time of the Senate in the course of this week's discussion. I had hoped we might dispose of all the resolutions to-day, but the waning day brings a waning hope. The trend of the discussion is perfectly evident. It is evident not only here in the Chamber but elsewhere. It has attracted the attention of the newspapers of which the Senator from Alabama [Mr. HEFLIN] is so fond and to which he so frequently refers.

I ask leave, by unanimous consent, to insert at this point as a portion of my remarks an editorial which appeared in this morning's Issue of the New York Herald.

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the Senator from New Hampshire? The Chair hears none, and it is so ordered.

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While irresponsible politicians rave, every act of President Coolidge's confirms public confidence in him. His choice of T. W. Gregory and Silas Strawn to direct the oil inquiry is admirable. It shows that the "ight course will be pursued with energy and impartiality. One is a Democrat, one a Republican. The President thinks of Mr. Gregory as a former Attorney General in Mr. Wilson's Cabinet experienced in public prosecution, and of Mr. Strawn as one of the ablest lawyers outside official life. This inquiry he regards not as a matter connected with party but as a great national task of house cleaning. The two men are ready to act without delay and will have funds and legal assistance in abundance.

once.

By contrast we have the spectacle in Washington of men trying to give the inquiry a wrong course, drag it into the slough of party polities, and substitute lynching for justice. The Robinson resolution demanding the instant resignation of Secretary Denby is the most glaring evidence of these tactics. Equally unworthy are the efforts to make the President appear guilty of negligence. Senator LENROOT, attacking this cheap politics in fitting terms, showed that Mr. Coolidge was alert to the situation from the first hint of fraud and while his critics were laying their selfish schemes was planning to protect the Nation. The American tradition is not to prejudge a case, yet that is what some politicians are trying to do. The country already feels justified in drawing certain clear-cut conclusions. One is that Mr. Fall has committed such gross improprieties, if not acts really criminal, that his reputation is ruined. If he were in office he would be removed at Another justifiable inference is that the leases stand suspect and should be canceled unless the suspicion is removed. But we have no evidence that offers a ground for demanding Mr. Denby's resignation under fire, and to ask him to leave without a bearing is indefensible. If there were reason to believe that Mr. Denby or other active offcials of the Navy or Interior Department were guilty of actual malfeasance, the public would not want resignations but impeachments. I do not know where this inquiry will lead, but in view of Mr. MOSES. I wish to speak for the moment only of the the challenge that has been made, and properly made, by concluding paragraph of the editorial, which reads thus: the Senator from Alabama [Mr. HEFLIN], and in view of the statements made yesterday by a Senator, that former Seeretary Fall is being made a scapegoat. I think that Mr. Doheny ought not to be allowed to leave the jurisdiction of the committee without being subjected to a searching examination along the lines I have indicated. As one Senator, I respectfully request and demand that that be done, and in doing this I am in no manner reflecting upon the committee. I want to say to its chairman that I have taken no part in criticism of the committee, and I do not do so now.

Mr. LENROOT. Mr. President, will the Senator from New Hampshire yield to me for a moment?

Mr. MOSES. I yield.

Mr. LENROOT. May I say, as chairman of the committee, that the chairman has not been informed whether Mr. Doheny will appear before the committee or not, but in view of the request of the Senator from Missouri, a subpoena will be immediately issued for the attendance of Mr. Doheny before the committee, and the chairman will assure the Senator from Missouri that if no one else asks the questions he desires, the chairman will do so.

Mr. REED of Missouri. I thank the Senator.
Mr. LODGE. Mr. President-

If there were reason

to believe that Mr. Denby or other active officials of the Navy or Interior Departments were guilty of actual malfeasance, the public would not want resignations, but impeach

ments.

That comment leads me to remark in connection with the resolution now pending that there are but two occasions in the official career of a Cabinet officer when the Senate can touch him, once when his name comes before us for confirmation and once when articles of impeachment drawn at the other end of the Capitol are submitted to us sitting as a court.

If the Secretary of the Navy, by his conduct in 1910 and 1911 in assisting in conducting an investigation into the action of the then Secretary of the Interior and signing a report exonerating that official, had so created for himself a record as to render him unfit to serve in the Cabinet of the President, the time to have raised that question was when Mr. Denby's name came to us on the afternoon of the 4th of March, 1921, and the Senator from Florida [Mr. FLETCHER], whose purposes I do not impugn, whose integrity I well know, and whose diligence as a Senator I have come to be fully aware of in the course of committee service with him, was neglectful then if he did not call this to the attention of the Senate.

Mr. President, there is no purpose, as I believe, behind anything that now goes on other than a political purpose. We can not make Cabinets here. We can not unmake Cabinet ministers here. That is the function of the President. He does not have to take any unsolicited advice which we give him. It is his function to select, it is his function to dis

miss. It is our function only to confirm or impeach his

Cabinet members.

Mr. President, the only phase of this question with which the Senate could properly deal under those institutions of the Nation which the Senator from Alabama so orotundly says he stands here to defend, under the institutions of the country and of the Constitution by which we serve, we have done everything possible when we take the charges in connection with the Teapot Dome leases and the contract thereunder, the leases of the oil reserves in California and the contracts thereunder, out of the partisan and miasmatic air of this Chamber and send them into the pure and chill atmosphere of the judicial chamber. There the question will be determined upon its merits and under the law, but here the man hunt will go on. Here we shall continue to find the partisan pack in full bay-Blanche, Tray, and Sweetheart all hot upon the scent. Here I suppose we shall continue to see and the country will not fail to take notice of a proceeding in which we find sick chambers invaded by a jazz band, a ghoulish dance performed in a cemetery, and partisan snipers making a rifle pit of the grave of Warren Harding. Mr. LODGE. Mr. President

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from Massachusetts.

Mr. HEFLIN. Mr. President, will the Senator permit me to say a word in reply?

Mr. LODGE. I think the Senator has had a pretty good show to-day.

Mr. HEFLIN. But the last statement of the Senator from New Hampshire was something about trying to drag in a dead President.

Mr. LODGE. I think we had better let the dead alone. I move that the Senate proceed to the consideration of executive business.

Mr. HEFLIN. I shall speak to-morrow upon this subject. The motion was agreed to; and the Senate proceeded to the consideration of executive business. After 10 minutes spent in executive session the doors were reopened.

06 ERECTION OF STATUE PERSONIFYING SERENITY." Mr. PEPPER. From the Committee on the Library I report back favorably without amendment the joint resolution (S. J. Res. 57) authorizing the erection on public grounds in the District of Columbia of a statue by Jose Clara personifying "Serenity." I ask unanimous consent for its present consideration.

There being no objection, the joint resolution was considered as in Committee of the Whole, and it was read, as follows:

Resolved, etc., That the Chief of Engineers, United States Army, be, and is hereby, authorized and directed to select a suitable site and to grant permission to Charles Deering for the erection, as a gift to the people of the United States, on public grounds of the United States in the city of Washington, D. C., other than those of the Capitol, the Library of Congress, the Mall, and White House, of a Carrara marble statue of Serenity," by Jose Clara: Provided, That the site chosen and the design of the memorial shall be approved by the Joint Committee on the Library, with the advice of the Commission of Fine Arts, that it shall be erected under the supervision of the Chief of Engineers, and that the United States shall be put to no expense in or by the erection of the statue.

The joint resolution was reported to the Senate without amendment, ordered to be engrossed for a third reading, read the third time, and passed.

ADJOURNMENT.

Mr. LODGE. I move that the Senate adjourn.

The motion was agreed to; and (at 5 o'clock and 20 minutes p. m.) the Senate adjourned until to-morrow, Friday, February 1, 1924, at 12 o'clock meridian.

NOMINATIONS.

Executive nominations received by the Senate January 31 (legislative day of January 28), 1924.

MEMBER OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER COMMISSION. Jerome O. Christie, of Illinois, to be a member of the Mississippi River Commission, provided for by the act of Congress approved June 28, 1879, vice Edward A. Glenn, resigned.

POSTMASTERS.

ALABAMA.

Robert O. Atkins to be postmaster at Heflin, Ala., in place of H. P. McMurray, resigned.

William A. Armistead to be postmaster at Searles, Ala., in place of N. L. Brady, resigned.

Samuel B. Wininger to be postmaster at Pisgah, Ala. Office became presidential October 1, 1923.

Culvert M. Hillis to be postmaster at Athens, Ala., in place of R. M. Rawls. Incumbent's commission expires February 11, 1924.

ARKANSAS.

Warren P. Downing to be postmaster at Weiner, Ark. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

John W. Seaton to be postmaster at Luxora, Ark., in place of L. B. Bonds. Incumbent's commission expired August 5, 1923.

CALIFORNIA.

Florence E. Cornelius to be postmaster at Piru, Calif. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Nelson S. Dilworth to be postmaster at Hemet, Calif., in place of J. E. King. Incumbent's commission expires February 11, 1924.

Olive McDonald to be postmaster at North Fork, Calif. Office became presidential April 1, 1923.

Lew E. Wickes to be postmaster at Castella, Calif. Office became presidential April 1, 1923.

COLORADO.

Elias Wenger to be postmaster at Eckert, Colo. Office became presidential April 1, 1923.

CONNECTICUT.

Judson B. Griswold to be postmaster at Ivoryton, Conn., in place of J. B. Griswold. Incumbent's commission expired September 5, 1922.

Louis J. A. Stefon to be postmaster at Baltic, Conn., in place of H. H. Burr. Incumbent's commission expired December 6, 1922.

Frank D. Stanton to be postmaster at Stonington, Conn., in place of J. F. Leahy. Incumbent's commission expired August 1, 1923.

ILLINOIS.

Daisy A. Rome to be postmaster at Fisher, Ill., in place of F. E. Roles, resigned.

INDIANA.

La Fayette H. Ribble to be postmaster at Fairmount, Ind., in place of M. A. Walpole, resigned.

Joseph W. Morrow to be postmaster at Charlestown, Ind., in place of J. B. James. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

Jesse Dowen to be postmaster at Carbon, Ind., in place of John McIntyre. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

Harry T. Thompson to be postmaster at Lebanon, Ind., in place of John Huber. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

KANSAS.

Margaret E. Michael to be postmaster at Cullison, Kans. Office became presidential January 1, 1923.

James P. Kelley to be postmaster at White Cloud, Kans., in place of J. P. Kelley, Incumbent's commission expired January 23. 1924.

James M. Lear to be postmaster at Mound Valley, Kans., in place of C. L. Hinds. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

KENTUCKY.

Verner A. O. Gabany to be postmaster at Elsiecoal, Ky. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Mattie R. Tichenor to be postmaster at Centertown, Ky. Office became presidential April 1, 1923. LOUISIANA.

Teakle W. Dardenne to be postmaster at Plaquemine, La., in place of T. W. Dardenne. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

MAINE.

William Osborne, jr., to be postmaster at Danforth, Me., in place of A. P. Stinchfield. Incumbent's commission expired August 15, 1923.

MASSACHUSETTS.

Carroll L. Bessom to be postmaster at Mansfield, Mass., in place of C. L. Bessom. Incumbent's commission expires February 4, 1924.

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Arthur Darby to be postmaster at Urbana, Mo. Office became presidential October 1, 1923.

Hattye M. Sandefur to be postmaster at Holland, Mo. Office became presidential April 1, 1923.

1. Tom Wilder to be postmaster at St. Genevieve, Mo., in place of L. P. Kern. Incumbent's commission expired August 12. 1923. Thomas W. Box to be postmaster at Lamar, Mo., in place of Arthur Aull. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

William T. Robinson to be postmaster at La Plata, Mo., in place of W. H. Johnson. Incumbent's commission expired Janu

ary 23. 1924.

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Don E. DeLa to be postmaster at Hettinger, N. Dak.. in place of G. D. Tripp. Incumbent's commission expired Janary 23, 1924.

Ethel M. Anderson to be postmaster at Bowman, N. Dak., in place of M. C. Elgar. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

became presidential January 1, 1924.

Henry C. Wiedow to be postmaster at Golva, N. Dak. Office

Orna F. Leedy to be postmaster at Goodrich, N. Dak., in place of O. F. Leedy. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

Marie Toenberg to be postmaster at Alexander, N. Dak., in place of J. H. Fallon. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

OHIO.

E. Victor Geer to be postmaster at Orwell, Ohio, in place of Roy Goddard, resigned.

Leonard H. Kelly to be postmaster at Mount Vernon, Ohio, in place of Franklin Harper, deceased.

Robert B. Birdsall to be postmaster at Hicksville, Ohio, in place of J. E. Mercer. Incumbent's commission expired August

5, 1923.

Albert B. DeKay to be postmaster at Defiance, Ohio, in place of H. A. Spangler. Incumbent's commission expired August 5, 1923.

Walter L. Peet to be postmaster at Leetonia, Ohio, in place of H. D. Weaver, deceased.

Nathan R. Rothgeb to be postmaster at Cheshire, Ohio, Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Margaret A. Brooks to be postmaster at Yorkville, Ohio, in place of A. M. Tesi. Incumbent's commission expired August 5, 1923.

place of R. S. Ryan. Incumbent's commission expired SepRodney Barnes to be postmaster at St. Clairsville, Ohio, in tember 23. 1923.

OKLAHOMA.

Frank A. Smith to be postmaster at Byars, Okla., in place of B. R. Harrison, resigned.

Francis T. Laster to be postmaster at Asher, Okla. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Jesse C. Rhodes to be postmaster at Porum, Okla., in place of T. E. Futrell. Incumbent's commission expired January 28, 1924.

Arthur D. Hartley to be postmaster at Cardin, Okla., in place of G. C. Fulton. Incumbent's commission expired January 28, 1924.

PENNSYLVANIA.

Newton E. Arnold to be postmaster at Roslyn, Pa. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

John C. McConnell to be postmaster at Essington, Pa. Office became presidential January 1, 1921.

Raymond M. Rahn to be postmaster at Enola, Pa. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Hiram G. Johnson to be postmaster at Oil City, Pa., in place of E. S. Laughlin, resigned.

Lemuel N. Ammon to be postmaster at Gap, Pa., in place of Adam Wise, deceased.

John T. Painter to be postmaster at Greensburg, Pa., in place of J. T. Painter. Incumbent's commission expires February 4, 1924.

Milton E. Birchard to be postmaster at Montrose. Pa.. in place of O. W. Chase, resigned.

Ray K. Garman to be postmaster at Lemoyne, Pa., in place of G. A. Leach, resigned.

Clyde S. McNeely to be postmaster at Dauphin, Pa. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

John N. Sharpsteen to be postmaster at Honesdale, Pa., in place of J. N. Sharpsteen. Incumbent's commission expired August 5, 1923.

Edgar M. Chelgren to be postmaster at Grampian, Pa., in place of D. J. Bonsall. Incumbent's commission expired August 29, 1923.

SOUTH CAROLINA.

John A. Chase to be postmaster at Florence, S. C., in place of J. A. Chase. Incumbent's commission expired August 5, 1923.

John C. Graham to be postmaster at McColl, S. C.. in place of J. L. Bunch, resigned.

SOUTH DAKOTA.

Mary J. Graves to be postmaster at Interior, S. Dak. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Rose B. Flahart to be postmaster at White Lake, S. Dak., in place of R. B. Flahart. Incumbent's commission expired July 28, 1923.

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Ola S. Opheim to be postmaster at Sisseton, S. Dak., in place of P. J. Linster. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

William Kayser to be postmaster at Parkston, S. Dak., in place of W. H. Fergen. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

Ralph L. Hazen to be postmaster at Canistota, S. Dak., in place of M. A. Hazen. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

Robert Abel to be postmaster at Selby, S. Dak., in place of Arthur Griffin, resigned.

Sylvester Eisenman to be postmaster at Marty, S. Dak. Office became presidential January 1, 1924.

Charles G. Kuentzel to be postmaster at White Rock, S. Dak., in place of C. G. Kuentzel. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

Florence Holden to be postmaster at Lake Andes. S. Dak., in place of W. R. Russell. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

TENNESSEE.

Samuel P. Raulston to be postmaster at Jasper, Tenn., in place of Aileene Pope. Incumbent's commission expired January 23, 1924.

TEXAS.

Carl H. Rucker to be postmaster at Nevada, Tex., in place of W. H. Rucker, deceased.

M. Ardella Grant to be postmaster at Goose Creek, Tex., in place of E. C. Slaughter, removed.

Maggie P. Rhew to be postmaster at Anderson, Tex., in place of A. M. Bridges, deceased.

Charles A. Quails to be postmaster at Post, Tex., in place of G. A. Barnett. Incumbent's commission expired July 28, 1923. Corban J. Lewis to be postmaster at Eddy, Tex., in place of J. F. Coffey. Incumbent's commission expired October 24,

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Jeremiah R. Brown, Arcata.
William T. Van Matre, Downey.
Ethel Rockwell, Hynes.
Ambrose E. Daneri, Merced.
Henry A. Martin, Red Bluff.
Justin P. Miner, San Martin.
William J. Boyd, Sausalito.

Alice J. Reed, Sanford.

COLORADO.

KANSAS.

Chauncey J. Nichols, Arcadia.
Robert R. Carson, Hamilton.
Lloyd E. Clothier, Holyrood.
Clarence Leidy, Leon.
George W. Tompkins, Melvern.
Philip B. Dick, Mount Hope.
Ora A. Smith, Marysville.
Charles C. Andrews, Norcatur.

MARYLAND.

Addie D. Rayne, Willards.

MASSACHUSETTS

Carl H. Carison, Franklin.

MICHIGAN.

Warner B. Atkinson, Evart.
Byron D. Denison, Galien.
Fay Elser, Litchfield.

Frank G. Leeson, Manchester.
Norman J. Laskey, Milan.
Milburn G. Hill, Plymouth.
Wellington E. Reid, Ubly.

MINNESOTA.

Thomas Clarkson, Bethel.

MONTANA.

Joseph D. Filcher, Boulder. Leslie L. Like, Drummond.

NEW JERSEY.

Laura B. Van Slyke, Avenel.
Alfred B. Gibb, Bernardsville.
Alonzo P. Green, Chester.

Wilfred T. Sullivan, Delawanna.

Charlotte S. Hurd, Dover.

Lynwood C. Pine, Riverside.

Abram A. Reger, Somerville.

Carroll R. Cox, Tuckerton.

Edward C. Francois, West Hoboken.

NORTH CAROLINA.

Herbert C. Whisnant, Granite Falls.
W. Heman Hall, Rosehill.
Neill K. Currie, Tabor.

Jeremiah C. Meekins, jr., Washington.

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THURSDAY, January 31, 1924.

The House met at 12 o'clock noon.

The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera Montgomery, D. D., offered the following prayer:

Again, our Heavenly Father, the thought of divine care is in our hearts, as no harm has prevailed against us. Lead us to a high appreciation of the Teacher of Nazareth, the principles He taught, and the kingdom of righteousness He set up. Impress us that it is the leaven and the spirit that count, working ever in the meal of society and state. Let us guard, therefore, wisely our influence and seek that quality of soul manifested and produced by Jesus, our Lord. May we with determination and devotion ally ourselves with that power that makes for righteousness and carry to successful and permanent issues the great interests committed to our care. Through Jesus Christ

our Lord. Amen.

The Journal of the proceedings of yesterday was read and approved.

SWEARING IN OF A MEMBER.

As a

Mr. BARKLEY. Mr. Speaker, on the 12th of January, 1924, an election was held in the ninth district of Kentucky to fill the vacancy created by the election of Governor Fields. result of that election Hon. FRED M. VINSON was elected by a majority of about 12,000. There is no question of his election, but his certificate has not yet arrived, and I ask unanimous consent that he may take the oath of office at this time.

The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the oath of office being taken at this time? [After a pause.] The Chair hears

none.

Mr. VINSON of Kentucky appeared before the bar of the House and took the oath of office prescribed by law.

REORGANIZATION OF THE EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Mr. Speaker. I ask unanimous consent to make a statement which will require only two minutes.

The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Virginia asks unanimous consent to make a statement for two minutes. Is there objection? There was no objection.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, I wish to say for the information of the House that the Joint Committee on the Reorganization of the Executive Departments, which has held hearings for several weeks, this morning completed the hearings and the report of the hearings is now being printed. The first installment is already available and subsequent installments will be available in a few days. Members can obtain copies of the printed reports by applying to the chairman of the committee.

Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Yes.
Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee.
committee?

Who is the chairman of that

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. As my friend knows, that is an old story. The chairman of the committee is Mr. Walter F. Brown.

Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. Then it is necessary for Members of Congress to go to one not a Member of Congress to obtain hearings held before a congressional committee?

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Well, the fact is that he is chairman of the committee; that, however, seems to me the most convenient method of making the distribution. Mr. MAPES. Will the gentleman yield?

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Yes.

Mr. MAPES. The gentleman forgot to state, I think, that the committee instructed the chairman to send a copy of the

hearings to every Member of the House of Representatives and of the Senate.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. I will say to my friend that I think that instruction was recalled,

Mr. MAPES. I think not.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. I so understood, or I would not have made the statement. I do not think that is the plan, but, if so, of course the Members will receive copies.

Mr. MAPES. My understanding is that a copy is to be sent to every Member. I have been present at every meeting of the committee since I became a member of it, and I have no recollection that the action to which I have referred has been recalled.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Nothing to that effect has been placed in the record, and my last understanding was that applications should be made to the chairman of the committee. Mr. MAPES. That applies to those who desire copies in addition to the single copy which is sent to the Members. Mr. TEMPLE. Will the gentleman from Virginia yield? Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Yes.

Mr. TEMPLE. The gentleman says nothing has been placed in the record to that effect, and I should like to add that nothing at all has been placed in the record on this question; no action was taken by the committee concerning the method of distributing the committee hearings, but in conversation among the members it was understood and arranged that the chairman or the secretary of the committee was to send a copy to each Member of the House and Senate.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Well, I was not a party to any such understanding and know nothing about it. Of course, I do not question the gentleman's accuracy. The information I was giving was intended for gentlemen upon this side of the House and, of course, at the same time for the gentlemen on the other side.

Mr. TEMPLE. But it is rather unfortunate to give the impression that a Member of the House would have to go to some one not a Member of the House to get information about the work of a committee of the House.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. I think the gentleman will find when he talks the matter over with those who are in charge of this business that there never was an definite understanding reached that there should be a copy sent to each Member of the House.

Mr. TEMPLE. There never was any action taken by the committee on the subject at all?

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. None at all.

Mr. MAPES. But the understanding was that each Member of the House and of the Senate should get a copy. Mr. GARNER of Texas. Will the gentleman from Virginia yield?

Yes.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Mr. GARNER of Texas. I would like to ask the gentleman from Virginia what the life of this commission is? Mr. MOORE of Virginia. I do not recall what the limitation upon the life of the commission is.

Mr. MAPES. July 1, 1924.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. I will say this, aside from the not very material question as to whether anything has been determined as to distribution, that the hearings, whatever may be the final result, are of great interest. They deal with the entire administrative fabric of the Government, and to a large extent with the legislative fabric.

Mr. RAMSEYER. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Yes.

Mr. RAMSEYER. Does the report which the gentleman holds in his hand contain the testimony of witnesses before the commission or the findings and conclusions of the com mission?

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. The commission has reached no conclusions; the hearings were finished only this morning. The hearings embrace all of the statements that were presented and all the exhibits which were ordered to go into the record. Mr. RAMSEYER. Then the gentleman is talking about the hearings?

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Exactly; yes.

Mr. TEMPLE. The gentleman from Virginia inadvertently referred to this as a report, but it is not a report.

Mr. RAMSEYER. But the gentleman from Virginia did speak of it as a report.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. It is a report of the hearings, as I stated in the beginning, a printed report of the hearings. Mr. TEMPLE. In the sense that a reporter took down the testimony.

Mr. MOORE of Virginia. Exactly; and that is the common term we use.

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