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Mr. RIEHLMAN. You have other civilians here for the maintenance of property, is that correct?

Colonel BEDELL. There will be a total engineering staff, including the fire department, of about 40 people.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. What we saw in that building is what you feel is necessary to maintain the property until the 1st of April 1954?

Colonel BEDELL. Generally speaking; yes, sir.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. The thought I am trying to develop is why since there are so many items that might be used, that these items are not being retained here, instead of disposed of and shipped out, inasmuch as you are going to have to maintain this property and continue it on a seluiactive basis after April 1, 1954.

Colonel BEDELL. Our program was to reduce that new stock to an amount that could be systematically and easily handled by those four people left to run the place.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. I can understand that, but looking at the longrange program, if you had 15 more parts for stoves and 50 more screwdrivers and hammers, it would not make any difference to those men. The policy of shipping out some equipment within 6 months or 9 months from now, assuming that you have to procure identical items again eventually, is the thing that I am interested in.

Colonel BEDELL. Yes, sir, and I understand your point completely. Mr. COTTER. You had your instructions.

Colonel BEDELL. Yes, sir, and I would like to offer this in connection with what Mr. Riehlman just said ; when I arrived here in the fall of 1951, that warehouse was chock full of supplies and tools and the rest of it that had been left here when the camp closed. Since 1946 that stock had not been inventoried, had not been inventoried for at least 6 years. The stock record cards were not up to date. We were in a position, I am sure, of buying supplies that were already there, because you could not find them.

There is another thing, and that is we have a complete turnover of civilian and military personnel at the beginning and at the end of every one of these training periods, so that we suffer from a lack of trained personnel. I think perhaps we have the best trained group of officers that have been here since I have been at Camp Drum. I feel that most of them know what their jobs are.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. I did not want to interrupt your statement, and I hope you will continue. You have told us about what was left in 1946, and that it was a scrambled mess. I would commend you upon the manner in which this was brought up to date and the fine appearance of the warehouse which we have gone through, so that you know what is needed and you will not have a tremendous surplus on hand, at least, at some later date.

Colonel BEDELL. I am sure that the chiefs of all the other services have taken similar steps to get their accounts in order and to be left with minimum supplies on hand within their abilities to operate.

The consolidated property officer, who will have whatever is in these accounts, has I think, 3 or 4 people. There are two officers and a couple of warehousemen.

Lieutenant Colonel JENNINGS. I think there were 12 in that altogether. There were 3 or 4 warehousemen and he probably has 2 or 3 or 4 clerical people.

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Colonel BEDELL. Our new equipment includes items held in protective custody at Camp Drum for the first Army engineer pool.

Now to get back to this annex which I had referred to earlier concerning the engineers paragraph b is as follows:

b. Troop supplies will be disposed of, starting immediately, by recording such items to the engineer supply officer, Belle Mead General Depot

c. R. and U. equipment, including items held in protective custody, will be processed and stored to involve a minimum requirement for safeguarding and shelter. Excess items will be disposed of per current directives.

That brings us up to just about now.

I have one other thing that I would like to comment on. I feel that we here have a public responsibility to meet. The relationship of Camp Drum with the people of Watertown and in the surrounding counties is rather unique. Madison Barracks is an old-Army post located near here, and it has been abandoned by the Army. Many people from Madison Barracks, officers and soldiers, married girls from the surrounding towns, and the same repeated itself with Watertown and surrounding towns when Camp Drum was established here. The city of Watertown has been most hospitable to us. We have reciprocated as well as we could, so that anything that involves Camp Drum involves the community. We at Camp Drum are not all military. We have a great number of civilians who are employed by us living in surrounding towns, and the unfortunate publícity that we got was a little upsetting to these people and to us.

I would like our people, our neighbors, as far as possible, to be assured that we are not too far wrong.

I will probably be called on to testify in other matters involving the engineers, so I will sit down until that time.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Well, all right, Colonel.

Let me reassure you that we have no intention of amplifying any criticism. We are here to do a constructive job if we possibly can. We are going to let the chips fall where they may. If the responsibility rests here, we want to place it. As I said previously, if there is to be commendation we will see that you get that also. We appreciate your statement.

You were saying that at the close of hostilities in 1946 the camp was shut down. Do

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your staff have any information as to whether or not there was a disposal program? Was a lot of the equipment moved out or did the equipment remain here?

Colonel BEDELL. This is partly hearsay and partly from observation: I think that there was a disposal program of a kind. I have looked for some equipment that I knew had once been purchased for Camp Drum, and on further investigation I found it was transferred to another post. But the small items, items of engineer supply that you saw, I do not believe any steps were taken to ship that. I think they closed the camp rather abruptly and locked the door.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Maybe some of the other witnesses will have some information. Who is the next witness?

Mr. COTTER. Lieutenant Colonel Arthur J. Jennings.

TESTIMONY OF LT. COL ARTHUR J. JENNINGS, POST SUPPLY

OFFICER, CAMP DRUM, N. Y.

Lieutenant Colonel JENNINGS. Property Disposal is a branch of the S4 (Post Supply) Office, and is responsible for the sale of all surplus property and salvage at this station.

When the Department of the Army directed that Camp Drum be placed on a caretaker status no later than October 15, there were many tons of supplies of all kinds that had to be moved. The various chiefs of the technical services of First Army worked very closely with the technical chiefs of Camp Drum in establishing levels of supplies to remain here, and providing disposition instructions for supplies to be returned to the depots and for lateral transfer to other stations within the First Army area.

Forms 120 were prepared on many items and forwarded to First Army, requesting disposition instructions.

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STANDARD FORM 120
AUGUST 1950
PRESCRIBED BY GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION
PERSONAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT
REGULATION NO. 3

7. LOCATION OF PROPERTY

9. DOES RAIL CARRIER SERVE LOCATION?

13. IS PROPERTY REIMBURSABLE?

15. REPORT APPROVED BY (Namo and titlo)

17. EXCESS PROPERTY LIST

ITEM
NO

DESCRIPTION

(a)

(b)

STANDARD FORM 120
AUGUST 19 EDITION

(Use Standard Form 120a for continuation sheets)

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GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS This form and -hen continuation sheets are necessary, Standard property shall not be included on the same report but shall be the Peru 120a shall be used to report exceso personal property in subject of separate reports. accordance with Personal Property Management Regulation No. 3 Legal restrictions (including patent) on the power of the holding and to make amendment or withdrawal of prior reports.

agency to dispose of property being reported exces shall be fully Reports shall be confined to property at one location constituting explained in the listing of such items. 1 eagle commodity group, as defined in detailed instructions below. Reports shall be submitted

in the number of copies required by Contractor inventory, reimbursable property, and nonreimbursable Personal Property Management Regulation No. 3.

DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS No. of Pates. Enter here total number of pages in the report.

04. Electrical equipment, including electrical equipment and supplies (other

than office and household), communication, and clectronic equipmcat. 1. Report Number. Insert the serial number of the report and

os. Machine tools, including reneral industrial and production equipment, any other identifying number or symbol the reporting agency may

industrial air conditioning and refrigeration equipment. derire If the report is an amendment or withdrawal of a prior

07. report, the prior report number shall be entered followed by the

including textile producto, apparel, sad footwear. od.

medical and laboratory equipment, and letter (a), (b). or (c), etc. to identify the respective successive

drup, and medicine. amending and withdrawing reports.

09.

products, including Animals, foodatuite, and related producto

and manufactures 2. Date Mailed. Insert the date the report is mailed (not date

10. Crude and basic materials, including ores, coal, petroleum, oila, chemicale, en which prepared).

and metala. 3. Total Cost. Insert the sum of all amounts shown in column 11.1 Miscellaneous materials and supplia.

11.2 Miscellaneous equipment. (h) the property listing except that, when reporting an adjustment or withdrawal of a prior report, the net amount by which the "Total 17. Ercoss Property List. For the purpose of this list , line Coat of the prior report is increased or decreased shall be entered item of property shall consist of a single unit of property or . followed, respectively, by the letters "Inc." or "Dec."

number of identical units each of which meets the descriptions in 4. Type of Report. Indicate the type of report by inserting

columns (b) through (o), (c). (1), and ). aa (X) in the appropriate box. If the report is an amendment or

(a) Itom. Enter the consecutive number of the line items in withdrawal of prior report enter the number and date of mailing the report, beginning with number one for the first line item on the rach prior report in 4A. In preparing such reports observe the fallowing:

For example, if 10 line items are being reported excess and there a. 1' the report amende a prior report, each line item amended is room for only 6 on the first page of the report they will be given shall be restated under its original consecutive line item number

consecutive numbers "(1)" through "(6)" on the first page of the in column (a) and as it should be in columns (b) through ().

report and the remaining 4 line items will be given consecutive b. If the report withdraws in part a prior report the line items

numbers "(7)" through "(10)" on the continuation sheet. Leave withdrawn shall be restated in columns (a) through (c) as a blank line space across all columns between line items. they appeared in the original report. The word "withdrawn" (b) Description. In this column describe each line item in should be written across the remaining columns (d) through (). commercial terms and in sufficient detail to permit transfer or sale

without further reference to the holding agency. Stock numbers c. If the report withdraws in total a prior report the word “witbdrawn should be written across columns (a) through )

and prefixes, manufacturer's part number, and standard catalog of the Exces Property List.

reference numbers should be stated. The condition of the most d. The amount by which the "Total Costs of the prior report important components of an item should be noted. Specify the is increased or decreased by the amending or withdrawing

type of container or package and the quantities in each. report shall be entered in box 3 as an "Inc." or "Dec." amount,

(c) S. C. C. Cod.. The Standard Commodity Classification respectively.

code" may be entered in this column as additional descriptive 5. To Eater name and address of the executive agency and

identification of a line item. office to which the report, in accordance with Personal Property (d) Cond. Code. Enter the appropriate letter and number code Management Regulation No. 3, is to be made.

combination taken from the following code system: 6. From Enter the name and address of the Federal agency or

Code
Moana

Coda Moana department, and bureau, office, or other subdivision making the

N New

Excellent
Ured-reconditioned

2 Good report.

O Used-unable without repair

Pair 7. Location of Property. Give the warehouse, building, or

Ured-repair required

4

Poor other specific location and the address at which the property is

Itemy of no further value for we u originally intended but al located

porrible value other than as scrap. & Custodian. Enter name, address, and telephone number of If condition of a line item cannot be adequately described by code, the custodian of the property. If the property is in the custody of describe condition in column (b). mother agency enter also the name of such agency.

(e) Unit. Enter the unit of measure, such as: Each, pounds, 9. Rail Carrior. Indicate by (X) in appropriate box whether tons, dozen, gross, etc. Distinguish between long, short, and location is served by rail carrier. If so, enter name of carrier. metric tons. Standard abbreviations may be used. Any clear, commonly understood abbreviation may be used.

() Number of Units. Enter the quantity of each line item in 10. Further Information Contact. Enter name, title, ad. terms of the unit of measure given in column (o). dress, and telephone number of the person who may be contacted (®) Acquisition Cost- Per Unit. Enter the recorded acquisi. for further information about the property.

tion cost per unit (column (©). If acquisition cost is not known, 11. Send Purchase Orders To. Give name, address, and tele- enter the estimated original cost per unit excluding transportation phone number of the person, or office, to whom purchase orders are and handling charges incurred after purchase. Identify an estito be sent.

mated cost by the prefix (E). 12. If the property is at a location to be abandoned give date for (h) Acquisition Cost-Total. Enter the computed total cost sech abandonment. If located on excess realty indicate such fact of each line item (number of units in column (1) times the cost per by an (X) in the appropriate square.

unit in column (R)). 13. Reimbursable. Indicate by (X) in appropriate box whether (1) Fair ValueCode. Insert the following fair value letter the property is or is not reimbursable and if reimbursable enter the code which describes the fair value condition of the property. appropriation symbol and title or the name and address of the Code

Fair Value Condition Government corporation to receive the net proceeds from disposition, A "Ne excellent" means unused personal property, ready for we in 14. Contractor Inventory. Indicate whether the property is

condition identical with new items delivered by supplier

B "Unable without repair" means personal property which has been or is not contractor inventory.

used and requires no reconditioning or repair; and property which, 15. Report Approved By. Type the name and title of the

although unused and requiring no reconditioning or repair, does not person authorized to approve the report by signature on the

с

qualche minde repaire required” means personal property requiring srpnal copy.

minor repair, to put into usable condition, whether used or unused. 16. Commodity Group Number. Enter the number of the D "All other" means property requiring major repair, conversion, as following commodity group to which the property being reported

rehabilitation, and all other items which through deterioration, obes

lencence, or other factors do not fit Codes A, B, O C and includes scrap beings. (In cases of uncertainty as to the correct category in

and salvage. bach to report certain items, the reporting office shall make the

) Fair ValuePer Unit, Enter the fair value per unit deterdetersination, using its best judgment and such information as available, including a visual inspection when feasible):

mined by applying the following percentages to the base price

(current delivered market price, new; or acquisition cost) arrived Commodity Group Description

at in accordance with Personal Property Management Regulation 01. Automotive equipment, including trucko, trailers, passenger cara, bussen, No. 3.

and motorcycle 02.1 Otice furniture, machine, and equipment.

Fair Value

Percentate of 022 Suationery end ofce supplies.

Code

Base Price 12.3 Horkbold furniture, appliances, and equipment.

50% 03. Construction equipment, including building materials and supplies, carth

moving equipment (except trucks), tractors, agriculture machinery, and implementi

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