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Mr. BALWAN. That is space actually available for putting material in 1,904,000 square feet!

Colonel SEALS. Yes.

Mr. Balwan. That takes out the amount of your need for aisles and pillars and administrative space?

Colonel SEALS. That is net space.

Mr. Balwan. How much space is the technical service excess property occupying and how much is surplus property taking up of that?

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. 350,000 and 180,000, which would be 530,000 square feet.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Let us get it segregated as to what is inside and what is outside storage.

Mr. BALWAN. I would like to ask how much space in the depots is being taken up by surplus.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. I hope we can get on the basis of what they are using for outside storage and what is inside storage.

General MARSHALL. Let us put in the total outside space, and total outside space used by the technical services excess property, and the total inside

space in the same manner. Mr. RIEHLMAN. Good. That will be supplied.

JEFFERSONVILLE ARMY QUARTERMASTER DEPOT EXHIBIT No. 4

Jeffersonville Army Quartermaster Depot
(Prepared by Chief, Storage Division, as of Sept. 30, 1953)

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Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. I would like to move into the salvage activity on the chart.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Let us go back to the value of the disposal for another minute. What were those three different methods?

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Donation, return to post, camp, or station, and sales.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Is that in dollar value?

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. This represents the acquisition value, expressed dollarwise, of the items we dispose of. This column represents the amount that we realize via sale.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Dollarwise?

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Yes, sir, dollarwise. During the month of September we disposed of property, the acquisition value of which was $716,000.

One hundred seventeen thousand dollars worth of that went to donations, nothing went to depots, camps, or stations, and the remaining $599,000 was sold.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. What did you get for that?
Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. $24,000 for that.
Mr. IKARD. Actually the $24,000 is the return on $599,000?
Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. That is right.

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General MARSHALL. The return on that $599,000 is without taking into consideration when the $599,000 was spent.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. We understand that.
General MARSHALL. I thought we should clarify that.
Mr. IKARD. I understand that there are some items that may be 20

years old.

Mr. COTTER. What happened in July and August?
General MARSHALL. May we go off the record a moment, Mr.
Chairman?

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)

General MARSHALL. Within the last 30 to 60 days we have taken the action to initiate such recommendations as would appear feasible. If we see we have not stocked an item that is on the table of allowances,

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and it is still there, we know that it is not being used. Then we run that item down, recommending that it be eliminated.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Last night we were looking over some of the lists of saddles and different items. Is there a possibility of disposing of those to a foreign country?

General MARSHALL. Yes, sir, we have disposed of a great quantity. Mr. RiEHLMAN. What do we derive? Is it credits ?

General MARSHALL. They were sold through the Mutual Security Administration.

Mr. BALWAN. In that case, we will probably get credits.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. You got credit in dollars for disposition of them, but the Government of course would get foreign credit for them.

General MARSHALL. We have found that in going through these lists, we find numbers of items that have been on an equipment table of allowances for a long time. We do still have some horse-drawn equipment and pack trains. Mr. RIEHLMAN. What is a pack train?

General MARSHALL. A mule train. We still have a quartermaster pack outfit. They will retain a certain amount of equipment, but not anywhere near the amount of equipment we find on hand.

We are making a recommendation that those items either be reduced or eliminated, and leave it up to the powers that be who know more about the overall picture than we do.

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. This brings me to my last chart which we headed "Salvage Activity."

We have broken it down into three charts. Much of it is generated as a result of that material that costs more than 65 percent of replacement value to repair.

We see on this chart that we have some 1,250 tons on hand, and it takes some 100,000 square feet to house it.

Just a little under 80,000 square feet is open, and the remainder is closed storage.

This chart indicates the history of our receipts and disposals for those 3 months, and this one, again, the value of our disposals expressed in dollar value.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. That is in salvage?
Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Yes, sir.
Mr. RIEHLMAN. Let us take the months of July through September.

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Perhaps someone else could answer that more specifically.

General MARSHALL. I would like to have Mr. Kaster give you that.

Mr. KASTER. I think that chart will answer your questions as to what happened to July and August on our surplus property. The lines on the salvage property show that we had a large activity. They were much larger in July and August than our surplus property, because we do have that in the branch and we do dispose of it.

In those particular months we had more strictly salvage sales than surplus sales. That is the purpose of the two charts. It will give you a clear picture. You can see July and August on our salvage activity where it offsets the low activity on surplus. September reverted back to surplus property and fell down on salvage.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. You do not revert one month on this group and, if it were surplus, and the next month on salvage, do you?

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