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Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Yes, sir; they deal directly with Columbus, and Columbus gives them an order to ship to this particular site, and they notify us in advance.

Mr. ČOTTER. Let us take for example Camp Drum, N. Y. Let us say they shipped in a number of carloads of material to your depot. Can anybody tell us whether they came in classified for storage or whether

you had to run your classification on it after it came in? Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Yes, sir; we can do that.

Lt. Col. LAWRENCE D. TUBBS (chief, depot maintenance division). Most of that material came into this depot classified as repairable equipment—which would be in C condition—which goes to the maintenance division.

On the CS property-which is combat serviceable-or A, any property turned in by Camp Drum, classified at Camp Drum, goes back to the distribution depot responsible for that distribution.

Mr. COTTER. And it wouldn't come here? Lieutenant Colonel TUBBs. That is right, because this is not a distribution depot here. As the colonel pointed out, possibly Columbus came back and gave them instructions to cover the storage.

Mr. COTTER. When they had it classified and had it shipped here, the accountability would be turned over to Columbus?

Lieutenant Colonel TUBBS. That is correct.

Mr. Balwan. It is Columbus that orders Camp Drum where to ship that. Columbus knows where available storage spaces are ?

Lieutenant Colonel TUBBS. Yes, sir; on serviceable equipment items.

Mr. COTTER. Did you get a substantial portion of the material that came down from Camp Drum in a nonclassified condition, and was it necessary for you to have to go through it and have to classify it?

Lieutenant Colonel TUBBS. The items we receive have to go through classification.

General MARSHALL. Let us stay with the Camp Drum situation. Was there any unclassified material from them?

Lieutenant Colonel TUBBs. It was not called to my attention.
Mr. RIEHLMAN. You can get that without a lot of difficulty ?
General MARSHALL. Yes, sir.

Mr. COTTER. Can you give us any idea with respect to equipment and material that is sent back here from posts, camps, and stations, what percentage of that material is classified as compared with unclassified?

General MARSHALL. Would we have such a record ?
Lieutenant Colonel TUBBS. Yes, sir; we could get it.
General MARSHALL. Let us pick a certain period of time.

Mr. COTTER. Let us take from April 1 to September 1, or something like that, a couple of quarters.

Lieutenant Colonel TUBBs. All right.

JEFFERSONVILLE ARMY QUARTERMASTER DEPOT EXHIBIT No. 1

DISPOSITION FORM

File No. QMDJ 300.6 DMD-ODC
To: Commanding general.
From: Chief, depot maintenance division.
Subject: Receipt of items in the Classification Branch.

Comment No. 1
Date: October 12, 1953.

LMKenny/2122 1. The current receipts received in the Classification Branch indicate that approximately 20 percent of the items are returned directly to storage in A or CS condition. The percentage of items currently being received that are transferred to the TSEP account amounts to approximately 20 percent of the tonnage received. Some of the items classified were received under the old procedure. This percentage will be greatly decreased under the latest QMC Circular No. 3.

2. The determination of the amount of items received from Camp Drum that should have gone directly to storage or TSEP cannot be determined at this date. Items are received into a tonnage account and thereupon lose their identity as to source of receipt. After classification, these items are generated with like items received in the tonnage account.

LAWRENCE D. TUBBS, Lieutenant Colonel, QMC, Chief, Depot Maintenance Division. Mr. Balwan. Is it not conceivable that with respect to material that is found here to be classified, that some may be classified excess, TSEP, in which Camp Drum has shifted its disposal activity to you people.

General Marshall. It is a possibility. However, if everything worked like it should, the only time that would happen would be if something, policywise changed.

Mr. BALWAN. If it was not classified, and they just dumped it into carloads, and they were ordered to ship it to Jeffersonville Quartermaster Depot, after you received it, you would find it unclassified ?

General MARSHALL. Yes.

Mr. BALWAN. And then there would be a definite possibility that they have shifted some of their responsibility onto you people?

General MARSHALL. Yes.

Mr. RIEHLMAN. Have you had any experience along that line where they have put a camp in mothballs and shipped that material to you?

Mr. COTTER. Do you know how many camps are on a standby basis? Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. We have that.

Lieutenant Colonel TUBBS. Camp Atterbury, Breckenridge, and Camp Drum now.

I think by the 1st of June next year there are supposed to be four more camps in this area.

Right now those that I named are in the process. McCoy is finished now.

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Well, that, essentially, describes the principal methods in which TSEP is generated.

So far as surplus property is concerned, it is generated, for the most part, as a result of disposition instructions that we receive on our TSEP.

To say just a little bit about the process of reporting and handling TSEP surplus property, once it is generated, again I would like to cover that in two parts; that generated in the storage division and that in the depot maintenance division.

In the storage division when Columbus declares property excess, they will list the items of the property on a Columbus local form. They will send that form to the storage officer down here with these instructions, No. 1, confirm our availability of this item by a physical inventory, and No. 2, segregate and tag it as technical excess property.

Our storage officer will comply with those instructions and then he will apply to this form, this document, a declaration number which is nothing more than an office control number for tracing purposes. He will send it back to Columbus telling them we have complied with their instructions.

Mr. BALWAN. Is that a form 120 ?

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. No, sir. This Columbus form merely tells us that they have 100 of these items according to their records, and they want the storage officer to check and then tag these items so that they will not be issued. We send the form back, indicate that we have complied with their instructions, and they will prepare a form 120. That item is then recorded as technical service excess property, and they forward that form 120 in four copies to the Office of the Quartermaster General. At the same time they send an information copy to the storage officer here so that he is kept currently advised as to the status of the property.

The next time we hear anything on this is that we get disposition instructions on this particular property.

I would like to go back and mention, incidentally, that when that storage officer segregates and tags those items, he does exactly that. It is lotted in distinct lots. One declaration covers one whole record, whether it is one stack or two stacks, and so on. That is the way we process TSEP in storage.

In Depot maintenance it is done almost the same way. This property is not on the accountable property records of Columbus. The man in the Depot Maintenance Division makes out the form 120 and forwards it to the Office of the Quartermaster General, and in both cases the form 120 is forwarded for screening by the different technical services and the General Services Administration.

Mr. BALWAN. If Columbus is the place for keeping records of not only the total availability but the requirements, why wouldn't Columbus be the one who would get the copy of your Depot Maintenance form 120 ?

Lieutenant Colonel LEEPER. Because the requirements, the availability does not have any significance with respect to the material that the Depot Maintenance Division declares TSEP. Those items are noneconomically repairable by regulation.

Mr. COTTER. It is a condition inspection.

Mr. BALWAN. For instance, you might have fork-like trucks that the Depot Maintenance is repairing, and they run across one that is not economically repairable. They do not care what availability there is, because they are classifying that and recommending that it be taken out of stock as surplus.

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