I would like your comments on that, unless you would rather wait and make them later.

Mr. WALKER. Whatever you want, sir.

Senator CLARK. I would rather have them now.

Mr. WALKER. I am even more convinced today that we will have an adequate supply of urban renewal money through fiscal 1961 than I was in February. If you would like, I will go over this in detail with you, Senator, and show you exactly what we believe is happening in this business.

I might point out to you that the concern I just expressed as part of the reason why I am not too much interested in a billion-dollar program in 1961 is because I think you and I will quickly agree the relocation problem alone, and it is not the sole problem, would exclude from feasibility any billion-dollar program next year. But there are other reasons.

However, I would like to get off the negative side and get on the positive side and talk to you a little bit about what moneys are available and what makes up the applications.

Senator CLARK. I do not want to take the time of the committee to do it today, but I wonder if you would make an appointment and come up and see me. I will get my people in, and let us see if we can get closer to a meeting of minds than we clearly are this morning. Mr. WALKER. I would be glad to.

Senator SPARKMAN. May I suggest, too, that you prepare a table or statement for the record in order that we may have the figures before us.

Mr. WALKER. Be glad to do that. (See p. 158.)

Senator CLARK. I think perhaps we could prepare a statement as a result of such a meeting which would save the committee some time because I am going to want to get your comments on the survey of the American Municipal Association and U.S. Conference of Mayors.

Frankly, if it is all right with you, I would like to have some of their representatives sit in when we meet so we can see just where we disagree.

Mr. WALKER. Perfectly willing, Senator.

Senator CLARK. Mr. Davern, you have had the luxury of remaining quiet all morning. I would like to ask you this: When you came up here in February you told us you would give us a status report on pending applications for public housing early in May after you cleared out the deadwood. I wonder if you are ready to do that today.

Mr. DAVERN. Yes, sir, Senator; and I might say that the forecast which I gave the committee in February was somewhat on the optimistic side.

In February there was filed in the record a list of pending applications for financial assistance for low-rent housing and reservations totaling 67,581 units. Since that time we have received new applications for approximately 9,000 units. Of the total of 67,581, plus the 9,000, there are in active planning today programs for a total of approximately 26,000 units. Of the balance, applications for 2,739 units have been deferred at the request of the cities concerned. Reservations for 460 units have been deferred at the request of the communities concerned. There are also outstanding 5,280 program reservations in large cities which have backlogs of annual contribution contracts

that will engross their development capacities during the next several years and, therefore, cannot be considered for contracting purposes under the 1959 act.

The balance on the list have either been canceled or will be canceled in the near future.

Senator CLARK. From which statement do you conclude that there is no need for additional authorization of public housing units for fiscal 1961?

Mr. DAVERN. I did not understand you.

Senator CLARK. Let me restate it. What are your views as to whether it is desirable to increase the presently existing authorization for the construction of public housing units?

Mr. DAVERN. My opinion on that is the same as it was in February. The present authorization will meet the demand and the ability of the agency through the next fiscal year.

I would like to add a little to that. The 26,000 units which we are now working on is not a large program in point of number of units. However, it does involve over 300 different localities. That means more than 300 workable programs, more than 300 local government body approvals of loans, more than 300 cooperation agreements, more than 300 site selections and site approvals, et cetera. The workload represented is far beyond the number of units involved.

Senator CLARK. Mr. Chairman, would it be appropriate to ask Mr. Davern to furnish a written statement as to the state of the public housing program which would amplify to some extent what he has testified to now?

Mr. MASON. We would be happy to.
Senator SPARKMAN. Fine.

(The information referred to follows:)

Current status of backlog of low-rent housing program applications and program reservations under Housing Act of 1959, as of May 10, 1960

APPLICATIONS AND PROGRAM RESERVATIONS PENDING AS OF FEBRUARY 1, 1960 1. Applications for which program reservations have been approved. These are

in active planning

2. Applications on which action has been deferred pending further study.

4. Program reservations on which action has been deferred at the request of the

New York: New York City----- 1, 787

6. Inactive applications and reservations (some of these have been withdrawn