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American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, Jack Conway, Execu-
tive Director, Industrial Union Department, accompanied by:

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American Insurance Association, T. Lawrence Jones, President, accompanied by:

Gilmore, Robert; and

Stark, Melvin.

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Bailey, William O., Vice President, Aetna Life & Casualty.

Bedford-Stuyvesant Chamber of Commerce, James Hutcherson, Vice President .

Bison, Henry, Jr., General Counsel, National Association of Retail Grocers .

Booker T. Washington Business Association, Detroit, Michigan, Edgar Brazelton, Jr., Presi-
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Commerce, U.S. Department of, The Honorable Lawrence McQuade, Assistant Secretary, accom-
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Brown, Wallace, Counsel; and

Hamilton, Walter, Deputy Assistant Secretary

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Honorable Betty, The President's Special Assistant for Consumer Affairs

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Ichard, President, Insurance Company of North America

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an Development, U.S. Department of, The Honorable William Ross, Deputy Under accompanied by:

ortimer, Actuarial Expert; and

R. Otto, Legislative Attorney

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laude, President, Broadway Savings & Loan Association, Los Angeles, Caliompanied by:

, Peter, General Manager

ames, Vice President, Bedford-Stuyvesant Chamber of Commerce

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missioner of the State of California, The Honorable Richard Roddis

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nissioner of the State of Michigan, The Honorable David J. Dykhouse, accom

obert, Chief Actuary, Michigan Insurance Bureau; presentative Raymond L., Michigan Legislature; and nator L. Harvey, Michigan Legislature

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nissioner of the State of Virginia, The Honorable T. Nelson Parker, accom

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pany of North America, H. Richard Heilman, President, accompanied by: ertram C., General Counsel.

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lay, President, Royal-Globe Insurance Companies

rence, President, American Insurance Association.

1, President, National Association of Independent Insurers.

Honorable Lawrence, Assistant Secretary, U.S. Department of Commerce.

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W., Vice President & Manager, The Continental Insurance Companies orable Robert, Administrator, Small Business Administration, accom

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ciation of Independent Insurers, Vestal Lemmon, President, accompanied by:

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is W., President, Fireman's Fund American Insurance Companies onorable T. Nelson, Insurance Commissioner of the State of Virginia ssistant for Consumer Affairs, The Honorable Betty Furness

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THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN LIBRARIES

Roddis, The Honorable Richard, Insurance Commissioner of the State of California

Ross, The Honorable William, Deputy Under Secretary, U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
Development

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Royal-Globe Insurance Companies, H. Clay Johnson, President

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Schreiner, Walter C., Executive Vice President, Crum & Forster

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Small Business Administration, The Honorable Robert Moot, Administrator

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Smith, Seymour E., Executive Vice President, Travelers Insurance Company

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State Farm Mutual Insurance Co., T. C. Morrill, Vice President, accompanied by:

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Travelers Insurance Company, Seymour E. Smith, Executive Vice President
Wise, Paul, General Manager, American Mutual Insurance Alliance Company

STATEMENTS FILED FOR THE RECORD

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Burrell, Berkeley G., President, National Business League

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Jersey City (N.J.) Merchants' Council, Harry F. Salomon, President

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New Jersey Department of Community Affairs, Paul N. Ylvisaker, Commissioner

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Salomon, Harry F., President, Jersey City (N.J.) Merchants' Council

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Ylvisaker, Paul N., Commissioner, New Jersey Department of Community Affairs

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THE PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL ADVISORY PANEL ON INSURANCE

IN RIOT-AFFECTED AREAS

Wednesday, November 8, 1967

The President's National Advisory Panel on Insurance in Riot-Affected Areas convened, pursuant to notice, at 10:00 a.m. in the Indian Treaty Room, Room 474, of the Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C., Honorable Richard J. Hughes, Chairman, presiding.*

Present: Honorable Richard J. Hughes, Chairman; Honorable William W. Scranton, Vice Chairman; Frank L. Farwell, George S. Harris, A. Addison Roberts, Walter E. Washington, and Frank M. Wozencraft, Members; Stanford G. Ross, Executive Director; and James J. McLaughlin, General Counsel.

ational Advisory Panel on Insurance in Riot-Affected Areas was appointed on
67, by the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders, after consulting with

THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN LIBRARIES

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PROCEEDINGS

GOVERNOR HUGHES: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a good long schedule. I would like to move on with it.

This is the latest of many meetings of the National Advisory Panel on Insurance in Riot-Affected areas. Today and tomorrow have been set aside for public hearings at which the Panel has invited the comment of the whole country, the industry, state commissioners, consumers, private citizens, and everyone else, on some of the tentative thinking of the Panel, which was referred to in a press release issued about ten days ago, of which copies are available if they have not already come to the attention of those witnesses who have requested an opportunity to make a statement to the Panel.

The first person who is noted here as being willing to help to give the Panel some guidance is Mrs. Sylvia J. Downer, an insurance broker in Brooklyn, New York.

Mrs. Downer, would you mind taking this seat up here so we can hear your statement

clearly.

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Mr. Chairman and members of the Panel: My name is Sylvia Downer. I am indeed pleased to have been given this opportunity to appear before you this morning to discuss what obviously is a very important matter to an awful lot of people. I think we are fortunate in having so distinguished a Panel weighing this matter for the President. My good wishes go out to you for the success of your work.

Permit me, now, to give you just a little background into my own credentials as a witness. Where I live and work is something else. The section was formerly called Crown Heights and is in Brooklyn, in the City of New York. When Negroes started to cross Eastern Parkway, the Press, Television, the insurance companies and others for whom it was convenient, suddenly became map-makers. They stretched the boundaries of Bedford-Stuyvesant and, in the process, obliterated Crown Heights. Day by day they're doing the same thing to Flatbush, Prospect Park, Bushwick and Williamsburg.

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I've been a licensed Insurance Broker for 12 years and a licensed Real Estate Broker for 10 years. The bulk of my business originates in this area. My brokerage experience, I assume, is typical of brokers in this area and, I dare say, with brokers serving other Negro communities in New York.

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For some time now I have been active with insurance broker trade associations and am presently a member of the Board of Directors of the Brooklyn Insurance Brokers Association. Another credential which I offer is that of Delegate from my Association to the Insurance Brokers Council of New York, a Federation of some six (6) independent associations in our City. Also, I serve as Vice-President of the Brooklyn Insurance Women's Club, an affiliate of the Federation of New York Insurance Women's Clubs. Let me hasten to say, however, that I do not pretend to be advancing the official views of any of these groups.

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So you see, Gentlemen, that through my trade association exposures and the discussions which go on in these various groups, you can believe me when I tell you that the insurance problems confronting us transcend ghetto lines and find evidence in all parts of the City and its metropolitan environs.

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