"EXECUTIVE ORDER "AMERICAN DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL "By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, it is hereby ordered that the American Defense Service Medal, including suitable appurtenances, be established and that the said medal may be awarded, under such regulations as the Secretary of War, the Secretary of the Navy, and the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe, to personnel of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard of the United States serving during the limited emergency proclaimed by me on September 8, 1939, to exist, or during the unlimited emergency proclaimed by me on May 27, 1941." Mr. TABER. If there is any reason why this expenditure should be made, I think you had better tell us; else we had better forget it. Commander LEFFLER. We require this amount, sir, to comply with the Executive order. Mr. TABER. Why? You have $174,000 with a set-up of cost of something like 60 cents a medal. It seems ridiculous, handing out a service medal, costing 60 cents for 300,000 quantity. Commander LEFFLER. That is the price we got from the Army. Mr. WOODRUM. They are to be struck off at the Philadelphia Mint, I imagine. Commander LEFFLER. Yes. Mr. DITTER. Yes; it says so in here. Of course, that would be some justification for it. Mr. TABER. But the biggest part of the justification is the designer. Now, who is the big designer who gets in on this set-up? Mr. JOHNSON. They probably will have a competition to determine that, and will send proposals out to all of the designers in the country. Mr. TABER. The designer is not settled yet? Mr. JOHNSON. No, sir; I think not. Mr. DITTER. How many medals do you have, Commander? Commander LEFFLER. One. Mr. DITTER. Is it a 60-cent one? Commander LEFFLER. No, sir; I do not believe so. It is a World War medal-a bronze medal. Mr. DITTER. It cost 60 cents? Commander LEFFLER. I don't know. Mr. DITTER. What was it given to you for; what is it an indication of? Commander LEFFLER. For service afloat in the World War, sir. Commander LEFFLER. That is correct. Mr. DITTER. In the war? Commander LEFFLER. That is correct. Mr. DITTER. Not during peacetime? Commander LEFFLER. No; during war. Mr. DITTER. How many of your buddies have medals awarded to them during peacetime, 60-cent ones or otherwise? Commander LEFFLER. Very few. Mr. DITTER. You do not know of any, do you? 60642-41- -9 Mr. DITTER. Unless they do something unusual in peacetime in connection with the Naval Establishment, they are not given a medal; is that right? Commander LEFFLER. That is right, like an extraordinary performance in an airplane, something of that nature. Mr. DITTER. But if they do that extraordinary service then they get more than a 60-cent medal, do they not? Commander LEFFLER. The Distinguished Flying Cross, I am told, costs about $3. Mr. DITTER. And that is for some man who had some unusual service in peacetime, in connection with the Naval Establishment? Commander LEFFLER. That is correct. WEDNESDAY, JULY 16, 1941. OCEAN AND LAKE SURVEYS STATEMENT OF CAPT. G. S. BRYAN, HYDROGRAPHER Mr. WOODRUM. Captain Bryan, what about Ocean and Lake Surveys, $130,000? Captain BRYAN. We are asking for $130,000, $40,000 of which is in title III. Mr. TABER. Well, it is only $40,000 you are asking for now? Mr. WOODRUM. For what? ADDITIONAL INSTRUMENTS FOR SURVEYING SHIPS Captain BRYAN. $7,400 are for projects for some additional instruments to be used by the surveying ships-tide gages, current meters, and compass declinometers. The remaining $35,000-$2,400 has been taken off of that-is for air charts, aviation charts, which we are required to purchase of Canada, the British Isles, and Australia. Mr. DITTER. When did the need for these things arise? Captain BRYAN. These charts? Mr. DITTER. For all of these additional items. Captain BRYAN. The need for the instruments for the survey ships is due to the fact we are having so many places to survey that we have not enough instruments. Mr. DITTER. When did the need arise; when did you, in charge of the activity, become aware of the fact you needed new instruments, or additional instruments? Captain BRYAN. Well, it has been something which has been growing gradually. I finally decided to ask for it a few months ago? Mr. DITTER. Why was not it included in the item we had before us as an urgent deficiency item, about 4 weeks ago? Captain BRYAN. I do not think we had anything in that appropriation. Mr. DITTER. Did the Budget reject it at that time? FOREIGN CHARTS AND BOOKS Mr. DITTER. You have an item of $35,000 here for foreign charts and books. Captain BRYAN. That is aviation charts. In the emergency we need charts of all of these countries, and we have not the time to make them ourselves. Mr. DITTER. Who will make them for you? Captain BRYAN. We buy them from the countries concerned. We buy the Canadian charts from the Canadian Government. In fact we get all of them from the various governments. Mr. TABER. When did you know you were going to have to have this $35,000? Is this a new wrinkle? Captain BRYAN. No, sir. It is simply a precaution to have these charts on hand when they are needed. Mr. TABER. Now, you only had $9,000 in the regular Budget. Why would you need $35,000, or four times as much, extra? Captain BRYAN. Normally, we would not need those aviation charts at all; but, in view of the fact our planes may have to operate in those areas, we have to have these charts and we have to get them in advance. After we actually start hostilities, it is too late to get them. Mr. DITTER. To which areas do you refer? "In those areas" was your phrase; which areas? Captain BRYAN. Well, all the areas-Canadian, British, Australian,, and some of the Dutch East Indies. Mr. TABER. Did not have that provided for in the $9,000? Mr. TABER. Why was it you did not have that in your estimate? Captain BRYAN. We had not decided when the estimate for the year was submitted that these charts would be needed. The emergency had not approached quite such a Mr. TABER. The shooting had not approached quite so near? Mr. DITTER. Has this been made necessary by reason of the recent observation by the Secretary of the Navy, in a speech of his that got wide publicity, as to what he thought we ought to be doing in the Navy? Captain BRYAN. No, sir. Mr. DITTER. That is not setting the policy, then, of the Navy? Captain BRYAN. This is just something which arose as a result of the policy of being ready for anything that might happen. Mr. DITTER. One of these items contemplates the employment of additional civilian personnel, does it not? Captain BRYAN. No, sir. Mr. DITTER. It says, "Field units for working up survey data and miscellaneous aerial surveys." Is that additional? Captain BRYAN. No, sir. There is nothing in title III on that. Captain BRYAN. No, sir. Mr. DITTER. By the way, do you buy any of your charts of our own country, or do you produce them all yourselves? You buy some, do you not? Captain BRYAN. No, sir. Those are produced by the Coast Survey and they do not charge us for them. Mr. DITTER. How is the unit cost of those arrived at that you must buy from the Britishers, Canada, and Australia? Captain BRYAN. We got a few copies of the charts and then got a quotation from them. Mr. DITTER. What is the unit cost? Captain BRYAN. It averages about 50 cents. Mr. DITTER. How do you think that compares, in value or cost, with what it costs for our own surveys to be made? In other words, are we buying at wholesale or buying at retail? Captain BRYAN. The prices are quoted wholesale. Mr. DITTER. Are you getting any discount for cash? Captain BRYAN. No, sir. Mr. DITTER. Do we buy these from individual firms or buy them from the governments? Captain BRYAN. Mostly from the governments. Mr. DITTER. We buy those, in other words, from the Canadian Government and buy them from Great Britain; we buy them from the government and not from individual concerns? Captain BRYAN. There may be a few that we would have to buy from individual concerns, but most of them, practically all of them, are bought directly from the governments. DISTRIBUTION OF ESTIMATE Mr. WOODRUM. Put pages 1 and 2 in the record, please. Captain BRYAN. Yes, sir. (The matter above referred to is as follows:) SUPPLEMENTAL ESTIMATE OF APPROPRIATION, OCEAN AND LAKE SURVEYS, NAVY, This appropriation is $90,000 for both 1941 and 1942 for normal survey operations, plus special details as required by the Chief of Naval Operations. In order to efficiently carry out these surveys, additional instruments are required. Project I, U. S. S. “Bowditch”, $3,700; Project II, U. S. S. “Sumner”, $3,700.— Under these two projects is needed $7,400 to provide six tide gages, six current meters and four compass declinometers for collecting survey data necessary for the construction of charts and the preparation of Sailing Directions in the shortest possible time after the start of a survey. Project IV, Foreign charts and books, $35,000.-The additional sum of $35,000 requested under this project is needed to cover the purchase of 30,000 Canadian; 20,000 British Isle; and 20,000 Australian aviation charts which should be immediately available if needed by naval aircraft. These aviation charts cannot be produced quickly enough by the Hydrographic Office due to its past limited space and personnel facilities, and also due to other projects of equally high, or higher priority which are in progress. WEDNESDAY, JULY 16, 1941. NAVAL RESERVE STATEMENT OF COMMANDER J. C. WEBB Mr. WOODRUM. Now tell us about the item for the Naval Reserve, Commander Webb, $8,890,000. Commander WEBB. The additional funds requested result from the facilities in Corpus Christi and Jacksonville becoming available sooner than we thought they would be available. Therefore we are able to increase the aviation-cadet program so that we will be able to put in, in elimination flight training, 10,200 as compared with 8,705 originally appropriated for. And we will be able to increase the average number of aviation cadets in training to 4,804, in comparison with 3,082 appropriated for. The total increase involved as the result of these increased numbers is $11,145,362. Offsetting that increase, however, are certain reductions in funds previously appropriated for the surface component. The surface component now is almost entirely on active duty; therefore, no funds are required for training the Organized Reserve. A reduction in funds is effected in our training of Volunteer Reserves. Also, due to the transfer of financial cognizance of the Naval Reserve training schools over to the appropriation "Training, Educational and Welfare," there is a reduction. SUMMARY OF ESTIMATE Mr. TABER. Suppose we put in pages 2 to 5, inclusive? That will cover it, won't it? Mr. WOODRUM. Yes; that covers it. Thank you, Commander. (The matter above referred to is as follows:) |