HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON

LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE
UNITED STATES SENATE

NINETIETH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

S. J. Res. 81

TO PROVIDE FOR THE SETTLEMENT OF THE LABOR DIS-
PUTE BETWEEN CERTAIN CARRIERS BY RAILROAD AND
CERTAIN OF THEIR EMPLOYEES

MAY 10, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, AND 24, 1967

Printed for the use of the
Committee on Labor and Public Welfare

79-146

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1967

HARRISON A. WILLIAMS, JR., New Jersey PAUL J. FANNIN, Arizona

S.J. Res. 81...

CONTENTS

Presidential message, May 4, 1967--

CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

MAY 10, 1967

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Fannin, Hon. Paul J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Arizona..

Wirtz, Hon. W. Willard, Secretary of Labor, accompanied by James J.

Reynolds, Under Secretary of Labor; Francis A. O'Neill, Chairman,

National Mediation Board; Judge Charles H. Fahy, Chairman of the

Special Mediation Panel; and David Ginsburg, Chairman of Presi-

dential Emergency Board No. 169.

MAY 11, 1967

Boyd, Hon. Alan S., Secretary of Transportation, accompanied by Scott

Harvey, labor economist, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Policy

Development, Department of Transportation__

Fox, Michael, president, Railway Employees Department, AFL-CIO, ac-

companied by Joseph Ramsey, vice president, International Association

of Machinists; Edward Hickey, general counsel, IAM; Edward Wolfe,

vice president, and Erick Erickson, international representative, Boiler-

makers & Blacksmiths; Thomas Ramsey, international vice president,

International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers; and George O'Brien,

general president, Brotherhood of Railway Carmen...

MAY 12, 1967

Wolfe, J. E., chairman, National Railway Labor Conference, accompanied

by Guy W. Knight, vice president, Pennsylvania Railroad Co., and

Scott McGill, chairman, Southeastern Carriers Conference Committee__

Leighty, G. E., chairman, Railway Labor Executives Association, accom-

panied by Lester P. Schoene, general counsel, and Michael March,

research director____

MAY 15, 1967

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Schoene, Lester P., general counsel, Railway Labor Executives Associa-

tion, accompanied by Michael Marsh, director of research_

Rice, W. Thomas, president, Atlantic Coast Line Railroad Co----

Prince, Gregory, executive vice president and general counsel, Association

of American Railroads__.

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MAY 16, 1967

Luna, Charles, president, Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen, accompanied

by A. H. Chesser, national legislative representative, and John Haley,

attorney..

Gilbert, H. E., president, Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen & Engine-

men, accompanied by Donald W. Bennett, of general counsel's office...

Greenough, A. J., president, Pennsylvania Railroad Co., accompanied by

Mr. Knight, Pennsylvania Railroad Co., and Mr. Prince, Association of

American Railroads..

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