ACCOUNTANT P/T accoun- Send resumes to: C&M Systems Landover, Md. 20785 Asst. Account Rep. Up to account executive at 8330 Old Court House Rd. Suite 700, Vienna, Va. 22180. NO CALLS PLEASE ATTORNEY The Copyright Royalty Tribunal By December 14, 1984 Mr. MORRISON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. KASTENMEIER. The gentleman from Georgia. Mr. SWINDALL. Yes. I just have one question, Ms. Hall. On page 14 of your testimony there appears a fiscal year 1986 budget request. I would just like an itemization of the individual components comprising the "Personnel Benefits" section. Ms. HALL. There is the breakdown of the budget on appendix B of the appendices. Is that adequate, Mr. Swindall, or do you need more? Mr. SWINDALL. I don't have that. Ms. HALL. I believe I see it, sir. Appendix B is page 14. Is that to what you are referring to? Mr. SWINDALL. No, that is not adequate. That is specifically what I am asking you about. Ms. HALL. OK. Could you tell me again exactly what you need? Mr. SWINDALL. All right. On line item "Personnel Benefits,' $71,500 for the fiscal year 1986 request. Ms. HALL. Yes. Mr. SWINDALL. My question is, What are the individual components comprising those personnel benefits? Ms. HALL. May I respond to you in writing on that, sir? Ms. HALL. It represents the Social Security contributions, and FICA, and the like, but I don't have it readily in my head. Mr. SWINDALL. What in addition to Federal retirement and FICA would there be there? Ms. HALL. That I will have to check for you, sir. I will be glad to provide that for you. I have to verify it. [The information submitted by the Copyright Royalty Tribunal follows:] PERSONNEL BENEFITS RATES After consultation with the Library of Congress Budget Office, the Personnel Benefit FY 86 request amount ($71,500) was calculated for each employee as follows: 1. Current employees: a. 11.45% of salaries up to $40,500. This rate applies to one Commissioner (Ray), the General Counsel, and two staff assistants. b. 10.00% of salaries over $40,500. This rate applies to one Commissioner and the General Counsel. 2. New employees to the Federal Government (as defined by P.L. 98-21): a. 17.15% of salaries up to $40,500. This rate applies to two sitting commissioners (Aguero & Hall), the two commissioner vacancies, one staff assistant, and two staff assistant vacancies. b. 10.00% of salaries over $40,500. This rate applies to four commissioner positions. Personnel Benefits include only the employer costs for Civil Service Retirement, FICA, life insurance, and health insurance. Mr. SWINDALL. I yield. Mr. KASTENMEIER. The gentleman from Virginia, Mr. Boucher, is recognized. Mr. BOUCHER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hall, I think the appropriateness of this subcommittee inquiring into your views, or what may not be your views, but the views as expressed in Foundations of Sand has already been established. And I was very pleased to hear you say that those, in fact, were not your views. But I really wonder just how you feel about the views that were expressed. They are very inappropriate from my point of view. And are they repugnant to you, or do you strongly disassociate yourself from these expressions? Ms. HALL. I understand your concern, and I agree with you they are expressions which are very repugnant. They are not my views and, as a layperson, they are repugnant to me as well. However, Dr. Hafstad had indicated that he wished to express them. I had indicated at the time that I felt it would probably be ill-advised to publish them. However, in my limited capacity, that was all I could do. I was into the project; I completed the job. I believe in finishing what you start. I expressed my opinions, and he proceeded to publish, as is his right as a citizen of America to publish his views. Mr. BOUCHER. So you are saying that you told him prior to publication and prior to your participation with him in the projectMs. HALL. No, not prior to my participation in the project, as we were into the project. I was well into the project before many of these ideas surfaced. Mr. BOUCHER. Well, at what point did you express to him your difference with the views that he was expressing? Ms. HALL. At the point where we were trying-he was trying to decide whether or not to publish it. Mr. BOUCHER. And you did tell him that you disagreed with his opinions? Ms. HALL. Yes; I told him I thought it would be ill-advised to publish it. Mr. BOUCHER. And if I understand you correctly, you are saying that these views to you are repugnant. Is that the term you used? Ms. HALL. It is-yes. Mr. BOUCHER. Quite a bit of furor has been raised with regard to your participation in the effort to publish Foundations of Sand, and some of that furor quite well might continue. That being the case, do you feel that you are in a position to effectively administer the Copyright Royalty Tribunal, and can you implement the reforms that you have said are so badly needed? MS. HALL. I have been working very hard toward that end. That is why it is clearly my feeling that, that the sentiments over Foundations of Sand should be directed toward Dr. Hafstad. He has indicated very strongly that, in his letter which he has sent to Mr. West, if I might take a minute to read it. Mr. BOUCHER. Well, let me defer you from that. My primary concern is whether or not, given the furor that has been expressed over your participation in the project, you have the confidence of your Commissioners and the confidence of your staff, and the ability to effectively lead the agency. What is your response to that? Ms. HALL. I wish I had the responsibility to lead the agency. The way the agency is presently structured I am not leading it, because the chairman does not lead. The chairman is just another Commissioner. I feel very confident that I can carry out the reforms that are necessary for this agency. I am studying very hard to that end, and I will continue to do so. I don't think that this situation should be distracting me from my job. I have made my statements very clear to the public that my position was an editor, that my job was ministerial, that Dr. Hafstad is the author and he will bear all the responsibility for the fallout from this work. Hopefully having made that clear here today, and with the fairness that I hope you people will treat me in having heard my feelings on that, which are very strong, I hope that we can properly direct any further fallout towards Dr. Hafstad, who has said he will gladly bear that responsibility for his work. Mr. BOUCHER. Well, I appreciate your Ms. HALL. And therefore, I would like to go back to work and finish the job that I started, which is to reform the CRT. Mr. BOUCHER. Well, I appreciate your statement very much, but in all due respect, I am not sure it answers the question. The question is do you feel that you have the confidence of the other Commissioners and of the staff at the Copyright Royalty Tribunal, and do you think you can continue effectively in the role to which you are assigned? Ms. HALL. I hope I do. I haven't asked them pointblank. I know I have the confidence in myself. I know that I have the confidence of a good part of the staff and the confidence of the Commissioners. I will proceed to do my job. I am working very hard at it. I have put in 10 to 12 hours a day for the last 10 months. There is a great deal of work that needs to be done, and the sooner we lay this issue where it properly belongs, on the shoulders of Dr. Hafstad, the sooner we can get back to the very important work that is necessary at the Copyright Royalty Tribunal now. I am anxious to go back to that work. It is the job that I truly enjoy and want to pursue to a very successful point. Mr. BOUCHER. All right. Thank you very much, Ms. Hall. Mr. KASTENMEIER. Are there other questions by members of the committee? Mrs. SCHROEDER. Mr. Chairman. Mr. KASTENMEIER. The gentlewoman from Colorado. Mrs. SCHROEDER. I heard that. It almost sounds to me like that is a tad sexist. I mean, you weren't a secretary, and you wrote down that you were a coauthor, and it wasn't ancient history. The book was published in 1983. Ms. HALL. 1982. Mrs. SCHROEDER. In 1982. And you put it down for your Senate confirmation, so you must have been proud of it. You say in the paper that you are proud of it. So, I don't know that you canMs. HALL. No, I didn't totally. Mrs. SCHROEDER [continuing]. Say that the man must answer and I was just ministerial. I mean, you are a lawyer, you are not a secretary. But what I really wanted to ask, Mr. Chairman, was how did you find out about the job that you now hold? Ms. HALL. I, I was called in for an interview and, and hired. Ms. HALL. Evidently, my name was in the White House computer having applied in 1980 when President Reagan was first elected. However, I had not worked any campaigns and I did not have any political connections, and therefore was not brought onboard in the 1980 setup of the administration. In 1983-I can't remember-1983, evidently, my name came up on a computer roster, and my copyright credentials were noticed, and I was called in for an interview-it was totally unexpected. My credentials appeared satisfactory, and they began the investigation and subsequent hiring of me for this position. I firmly believe that I was hired because of my copyright credentials, because of my legal credentials, because of my teaching of copyright. I clearly was not hired for any political connections. I don't have any. I just entered my résumé in 1980 along with the other hundreds of thousands that were submitted to the White House. I haven't worked a campaign in 10 years. Mrs. SCHROEDER. You don't think, though, that maybe the editing of some of this stuff maybe made you look philosophically OK? I mean I know lots of people who are very competent attorneys and who know about all these issues, and somehow their name never got into the computer and no one just called them and said, "Hey, have we got a job for you? Come over and apply." Ms. HALL. I think probably my teaching credentials and my copyright credentials were more important, clearly. Because the résumé that I was called in on was still in my other married name, so it was clearly my 1980 résumé. And the press release that was issued when I was first nominated was from the 1980 résumé. So, clearly the White House was not privy to any of this work because they were still working on a 1980 résumé. Mrs. SCHROEDER. Except that I do think that they know a lot of the people that you have worked with, especially in the High Frontiers thing. I think that at least part of that has become very, very political, as the chairman pointed out. And so you may have had some people there helping. But, anyway, your testimony is in 1980 your résumé went into the file? Ms. HALL. Um hum. Mrs. SCHROEDER. And in 19- Ms. HALL. 1983. Mrs. SCHROEDER [continuing]. 1983 they found you? Ms. HALL. They said that-yes. They said that they were going through the computer file and they noticed the credentials, and they called me in for an interview. I do not have the kind of political connections that most people have had heretofore on this Commission. They are clearly not there. Mrs. SCHROEDER. OK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. KASTENMEIER. Are there other questions? Let me just follow-up on Mrs. Schroeder's question because it has been raised a number of times here. Although this may have been more properly a matter for the Senate at an earlier point in time. Precisely, what copyright credentials do you have? Ms. HALL. I have taught the subject, and I worked as―― Mr. KASTENMEIER. Taught the subject where? Ms. HALL. I taught copyright at Northern Virginia Law School, which is a small school, an independent school, in Alexandria, Virginia, which operates a part-time program. It is just a night school. Mr. KASTENMEIER. A night school? Ms. HALL. Um hum. |