Mr. MORRISON. Let me then ask some questions about this. You said that you have written four books? Ms. HALL. No. I said I have edited and/or consulted on four books. Mr. MORRISON. And were all those books completed before you filed your biographical statement with the Senate? Ms. HALL. No, they were not. The SBA manual for minority businesses may still be in manuscript form as far as I know. Mr. MORRISON. Nothing published, but had been finished, your writing or your editing was-in fact, you said you wrote that one, or a good part of that one. So your writing was done on that? Ms. HALL. Yes. I haven't done any other work except work for the Copyright Royalty Tribunal since July 5, of this year. Mr. MORRISON. So the other three-the Foundations of Sand, High Frontier, and this Marxist-Leninist dictionary-those were all done and published before you submitted this biography? Ms. HALL. As far as I can recall. I am not sure of exact publication dates, but clearly my contributions were well completed before I became a Commissioner. Mr. MORRISON. Why is it, then, that the only one of these works that you cited in your biographical information is the Foundations of Sand? You want us to believe that you were just a ministerial player with respect to each of these items, but one of the ministerial functions apparently was so important to you that you listed yourself as coauthor in this document. That raises questions to me. Could you explain that? Ms. HALL. I am not sure when the Marxist-Leninist Lexicon was published. It was completed at the time, but I don't think it was published then. Mr. MORRISON. Well, how about High Frontier? That was completed, wasn't it? That was completed a long time ago. Ms. HALL. Yes, I believe so. I don't think the question-I can't recall the question on that. Mr. MORRISON. The question was: "List the titles, publishers and dates of books, articles, reports, or other published materials you have written." Now, either-you say you didn't write it, so I wonder why you listed it. And if writing it includes what you have described, then I don't know why you didn't list the other things. I don't think you can have it both ways. Ms. HALL. I think we are getting tangled in the semantic definitions between ghostwriting, writing, consulting, editing- Mr. MORRISON. Madam, I am not tangled at all. I am trying to find something out. You said in your testimony just a few minutes ago that if these really are your views then you oughtn't to be in your current position. Now, you have made a self-serving statement that they are not your views. Ms. HALL. That I Mr. MORRISON. Excuse me. When I pose the question you will have time to answer it. I think it is perfectly legitimate for members of this committee to look behind your self-serving statement to discover whether it is likely that these are your views. And if you don't want to assist us in that, we will have to look to secondary sources I suppose. But I don't think it is at all inappropriate to follow that line of questioning. And I would like to ask you what the compensation arrangements were with respect to this book? Ms. HALL. Let me say again these are not my views. Ms. HALL. Period. And I think that addresses your first assertion. Mr. MORRISON. For the editing? Ms. HALL. Yes. Mr. MORRISON. And you are also an officer and director of the corporation established to receive the profits on this book? Ms. HALL. I am not a shareholder, and I don't receive any profits, and I don't receive any royalties. When you are in the private practice of law, you are often asked to set up corporations. Most States require three persons on a corporate board. Again, it is a ministerial position. I served as secretary because I had the legal expertise to know how to do the kinds of filings that are necessary. The corporation is dissolved. I have served on corporate boards of several small corporations which I have formed, including a minority corporation which I had formed. The position of a lawyer in a small practice is often to name themselves as a director of a corporation. Mr. MORRISON. So, this board, this corporation is dissolved? Mr. MORRISON. Let me ask you about one other area. With respect to the general counsel, what was your role in the hiring of the general counsel? Your general counsel who is with you? Ms. HALL. The hiring of the general counsel was done with the majority consent of the Commissioners, as is everything at the Commission presently. Mr. MORRISON. What role did you play in the advertising, the search, in finding this person? How did he get hired? What role did you play? MS. HALL. We put an ad in several publications, and we interviewed quite a number of people, and then the Commissioners, as a body, sat down and chose between the people that we had interviewed. Mr. MORRISON. Were you in charge of that process? Did you oversee that process? Ms. HALL. The Chairman at the Copyright Royalty Tribunal is not in charge of anything. The Tribunal works as a majority commission. Mr. MORRISON. But I assume there is a day-to-day process that was involved in this hiring. You didn't have three people without- Ms. HALL. As a matter of fact, Commissioner Aguero was primarily in charge of the hiring. Mr. MORRISON. Were there any minority candidates for the position? Ms. HALL. Absolutely. Mr. MORRISON. Do you have a record of the affirmative action processes that were employed in this hiring? Ms. HALL. We have extensive records. I would be glad to provide them. Mr. MORRISON. Would you please summarize where this was advertised, how it was advertised, what kind of applications you had, and what the sex and race of those who- Ms. HALL. OK. Having been the EEO specialist at Riggs National Bank and having worked in EEO for several years, I can assure you we complied 100 percent. We put two ads in the newspaper. The Washington Post, because it is the biggest and we felt it had good general appeal. We put an ad in the Washington Times because it is the other local newspaper. We received about 50 applications. We answered no telephone calls, we took no applicant flow data because we did not entertain any preselection. We simply responded to the résumés received by our general publication advertisement. We three Commissioners sat down and we determined by résumés, by experience and by salary qualifications which persons we would interview. I can give you the breakdown of their races and sex. I could give it to you readily from the office or I could give it to you off the top of my head right now. Mr. MORRISON. Well, don't give it to me off the top of your head. Just, if you would-with the chairman's permission, if you would submit in writing what I have asked for; that is, you have described the process, if you would describe it again and the data on-obviously, I don't want to know by individual what the race and sex is-that is summary data on race and sex at each stage of the process, who was interviewed and who were your applicant pool. Ms. HALL. Um hum. Um hum. Mr. MORRISON. And et cetera. If you could provide that, I would appreciate it. Ms. HALL. That is standard applicant flow data. [The information submitted by the Copyright Royalty Tribunal follows:] Hiring of General Counsel On November 29, 1984 the Tribunal placed ads in the Washington Post (appeared December 2, 1984) and the Washington Times (appeared December 3-9, 1984) for the position of General Counsel and received over 50 resumes. These resumes are on file in the Tribunal office. After reviewing all the resumes, the Tribunal selected 10 applicants from those submitted and began interviewing on January 3, 1985 and subsequently narrowed the list to 5 applicants. By majority vote of the commissioners on February 5, 1985, the Tribunal selected Mr. Robert Cassler as its General Counsel. Mr. Cassler's technical legal adice has already improved the quality of the Tribunal's responsibilitiess under the Copyright Act. Attached, for the record, are the newspaper ads placed for the position. >etitive salaries, an outstanding fringe and a convenient location. 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