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INDIAN AND ALASKAN NATIVE HOUSING PROGRAMS

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HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON
HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON
BANKING, FINANCE AND URBAN AFFAIRS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

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HOUSE COMMITTEE ON BANKING, FINANCE AND URBAN AFFAIRS

HENRY S. REUSS, Wisconsin, Chairman THOMAS L. ASHLEY, Ohio

J. WILLIAM STANTON, Ohio WILLIAM S. MOORHEAD, Pennsylvania CHALMERS P. WYLIE, Ohio FERNAND J. ST GERMAIN, Rhode Island STEWART B, MCKINNEY, Connecticut HENRY B. GONZALEZ, Texas

GEORGE HANSEN, Idaho JOSEPH G. MINISH, New Jersey

HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois FRANK ANNUNZIO, Illinois

RICHARD KELLY, Florida JAMES M. HANLEY, New York

JIM LEACH, Iowa PARREN J. MITCHELL, Maryland

THOMAS B. EVANS, JR., Delaware WALTER E. FAUNTROY,

S. WILLIAM GREEN, N

Park District of Columbia

RON PAUL, Texas STEPHEN L. NEAL, North Carolina

ED BETHUNE, Arkansas JERRY M. PATTERSON, California

NORMAN D. SHUMWAY, California JAMES J. BLANCHARD, Michigan

CARROLL A. CAMPBELL, JR., CARROLL HUBBARD, JR., Kentucky

South Carolina JOHN J. LAFALCE, New York

DON RITTER, Pennsylvania
GLADYS NOON SPELLMAN, Maryland JON HINSON, Mississippi
LES AUCOIN, Oregon

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
DAVID W. EVANS, Indiana
NORMAN E. D'AMOURS, New Hampshire
STANLEY N. LUNDINE, New York
JOHN J. CAVANAUGH, Nebraska
MARY ROSE OAKAR, Ohio
JIM MATTOX, Texas
BRUCE F. VENTO, Minnesota
DOUG BARNARD, JR., Georgia
WES WATKINS, Oklahoma
ROBERT GARCIA, New York
MIKE LOWRY, Washington

PAUL NELSON, Clerk and Staff Director
MICHAEL P. FLAHERTY, General Counsel
JAMES C. Sivon, Minority Staff Director

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SUBCOMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

THOMAS L. ASHLEY, Ohio, Chairman
WILLIAM S. MOORHEAD, Pennsylvania J. WILLIAM STANTON, Ohio
FERNAND J. ST GERMAIN, Rhode Island CHALMERS P. WYLIE, Ohio
HENRY B. GONZALEZ, Texas

STEWART B. MCKINNEY, Connecticut
JAMES M. HANLEY, New York

RICHARD KELLY, Florida WALTER E. FAUNTROY,

THOMAS B. EVANS, JR., Delaware District of Columbia

S. WILLIAM GREEN, New York JERRY M. PATTERSON, California

JIM LEACH, Iowa JOHN J. LAFALCE, New York

ED BETHUNE, Arkansas
LES AUCOIN, Oregon

DON RIT R, Pennsylvania
GLADYS NOON SPELLMAN, Maryland
JAMES J. BLANCHARD, Michigan
DAVID W. EVANS, Indiana
STANLEY N. LUNDINE, New York
MARY ROSE OAKAROOhto
BRUCE F. VENTO, Migos
WES WATKINS, Oklahom.
ROBERT GARCIA, New York
MIKE LOWRY, Washington

GERALD R. MCMURRAY, Staff Director

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FRANK DESTEFANO, Professional Staf Member
ANAONY VALANZANO, Minority Counsel

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CONTENTS

STATEMENTS

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Chino, Wendell, president, National Tribal Chairman's Association;

accompanied by Mr. Black
Cleveland, Roy J., executive director, Navajo Housing Authority -
Froman, Ronald, executive director, Housing Authority of the Creek

Nation of Oklahoma..
James, Hon. Overton, Governor, Chickasaw Nation, Ada, Okla-
Knight, Marlin, executive director, Association of Village Council Presi-

dent's Regional Housing Authority, Bethel, Alaska -
Latcholia, Kenneth, Deputy Administrator for Rural Development,

Farmers Home Administration, Department of Agriculture; accompanied

by Stewart Jamison, Indian coordinator -
LeBeau, Lloyd:

February 20, 1980, as vice chairman, National American Indian

Housing Council; on behalf of Johnnye Chopper, chairman.-

February 21, 1980, as executive director, Cheyenne River Housing

Authority

McHenry, Clyde T. J., Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Housing and

Indian Programs, Department of Housing and Urban Development;

accompanied by Irvin Santiago, Special Assistant to the Secretary for

Indian and Alaskan Affairs, and John Shaw, Deputy Director of the

Office of Indian Housing -

Peake, G. Ronald, Chief, Division of Housing Assistance, Bureau of Indian

Affairs, Department of the Interior..

Pearson, Billy, Director, Office of Environmental Health, Indian Health

Services, Health Services Administration, Department of Health,

Education, and Welfare.

Toews, Virginia, representing the National Congress of American Indians.

White, Lucille G., chairperson, Association of Eastern Indian Housing

Authorities..

Wilson, Harold O., executive director, Housing Assistance Council;

accompanied by Peggy Treuer...

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SUBMITTED FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD
Barber, William G., architect, William G. Barber & Associates, joint state-

ment with Donald Montoya, director of housing, Pueblo of Laguna, N.

Mex.

Benning, Walter L., president, Manufactured Housing Institute, statement-

Chino, Wendell, prepared statements-

On behalf of the National Tribal Chairmen's Association-

Regarding recommendations on housing problems of the Mescalero

Apache Tribe

Cleveland, Roy J.:

Prepared statement on behalf of the Navajo Housing Authority ---

“Request for Increase in Prototype Costs From the Navajo Housing

Authority to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Develop-

ment,” study...

Henson, Leslie, director of housing, Chippewa Tribe:

Brochure regarding home loan programs.

Statement.

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STATEMENTS—Continued

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Knight, Marlin, resolutions of the Alaska Housing Authorities..

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Latcholia, Kenneth:

Charts submitted on FmHA's survey on participation in section 502
single-family homeownership program.

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Prepared statement on behalf of the Farmers Home Administration. 32
LeBeau, Lloyd, report of the North American Indian Housing Council
entitled, "Indian Housing Monthly Report Analysis”.

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McHenry, Clyde T. J., response to request for additional information

from-

Congressman Les AuCoin.

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Congressman S. William Green...

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Montoya, Donald, director of housing, Pueblo of Laguna, N. Mex., joint

statement with Bill Barber, architect, Wiliiam G. Barber & Associates,
Albuquerque, N. Mex..

283
Peake, G. Ronald, prepared statement on behalf of the Bureau of Indian
Affairs, Department of the Interior.

15

Simons, Lawrence B., Assistant Secretary for Housing-Federal Housing

Commissioner, Department of Housing and Urban Development, letter

dated February 19, 1980, responding to request for certain data on

HUD's Indian and Alaskan Native housing programs.

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Toews, Virginia:

Prepared statement on behalf of the National Congress of American

Indians.

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Supplemental statement.--

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Wilson, Harold 0., prepared statement on behalf of the Housing Assistance

Council.

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Wylie, Hon. Chalmers P., newspaper article “Adobe Is Adorable, but

Today's Pueblos Can't Build With It," Wall Street Journal, February 4,
1980-

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INDIAN AND ALASKAN NATIVE HOUSING PROGRAMS

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 1980

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OF THE
COMMITTEE ON BANKING, FINANCE AND URBAN AFFAIRS,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 10:10 a.m., in room 2128, of the Rayburn House Office Building; Hon. Thomas L. Ashley (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Ashley, Gonzalez, LaFalce, AuCoin, Evans of Indiana, Lundine, Watkins, Stanton, Wylie, Green, and Bethune.

Chairman ASHLEY. The subcommittee will come to order.

This morning, the Subcommittee on Housing and Community Development begins 2 days of oversight hearings on the Indian and Alaskan Native housing program of the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Beginning in December of 1978, the subcommittee staff at my direction began an intensive review of this program.

Since then, numerous discussions have been held with tribal and Native leaders, Indian housing authorities, administration officials, public interest groups and other House and Senate committees concerned with Indian affairs.

The staff also visited a number of Indian and native American housing authorities throughout the country, and, for the first time in the subcommittee's history, made an onsite examination of housing in Alaska.

The housing needs of native Americans are substantial. Meeting these needs is an extremely complex and difficult task. Cultural, religious, and political factors often appear to conflict with existing housing assistance approaches.

The remoteness of reservations and villages, and their unique topographic and climatologic conditions adds to this complexity.

In addition, the unique status of tribal land and the trust relationship between recognized tribes and the Federal Government, while necessary to protect native Americans, tends to further restrict the availability of decent housing on reservations.

It is estimated that virtually half of all housing on reservations is in a substandard condition. With the influx of nonreservation Indians

a back to the reservations and the population growth from within, the housing needs on reservations has been growing rather than abating.

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