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Mr. Horan, the difficulty is that we are talking about two automobiles. In 1959, there was appropriated $16,625 for the Speaker's automobile since he contemplated purchasing a new one. However, as it turned out he did not purchase a new car during fiscal 1959 but the money was carried forward in the 1960 bill.

As regards the car for the former Speaker it was provided for in H. Res. 88, January 12, 1959, which contemplated that its purchase and maintenance would be from the contingent fund of the House and was therefore set up under the miscellaneous items scheduled as item No. 23. We carried that item forward again this year and I would like to point out again that the distribution of this $2,450,000 is an internal thing under the Clerk's Office. This is put in as a guide to indicate the possible use of this money that is not appropriated specifically for this purpose and it is very rarely used exact amounts as indicated in this table.

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Now, from this item 23 we pay for the maintenance and operation of the former Speaker's automobile-that is, his gasoline, his oil, and his tires and any maintenance which comes up. The chauffeur is not paid from this item and no other person is paid from this item 23.

The thing that needs adjusting, which I repeat is an internal thing, is that we need possibly to scale this $15,000 figure down to something substantially less than that. But, we know, from past experience, that this $2,450,000 is approximately what all of these items are going to come to in total.

Mr. Horan, taking this whole series of items-item 23, for instanceyou see we have under here a number of items that we spend more money on than is shown here. For instance, we have been talking about typewriter repairs. We find that this is merely the best estimate that we can come up with as to how this $2,450,000 is going to break down, but it is an authorization and we are not limited to specific amounts other than the overall total.

Mr. HORAN. I would like to say this, and I may be wrong, but I would like to see this item No. 23 put in exactly at the correct figure. That figure should be in there.

The whole Nation plays "The Price is Right," and they come pretty close to what things are worth and what they cost and, certainly, if we hire a bookkeeper to run the fiscal affairs of the House of Representatives, we have every reason to believe that he can take care of the books.

Mr. ROBERTS. I think it was an oversight more than anything else in the disbursing office.

Mr. HORAN. We do not want too many oversights.

Mr. ROBERTS. It was not an item carried last year and they did not take into consideration that it was reduced substantially this year. Mr. HARPER. Well, of course, you have to read the whole statement in order to get the full impact of this. This is an allocation showing how last year's figure was broken down.

Mr. MEGILL. That is right and that is the point of it. This shows what has been expended, which is a very accurate statement, and under that heading are miscellaneous items from July 1, 1959, through March 31, 1960.

Mr. Harper. Last year's language brought the Speaker's 1959 appropriation up, current to this year.

In 1959 there was $16,500 appropriated for an automobile for the Speaker's Office. They proposed to buy him a new automobile and to maintain that car for a year. He did not purchase a new vehicle in fiscal year 1959, but when we came in here last year, we asked that that money be carried forward in the 1960 bill so that the appropriation last year was $16,500.

Mr. HORAN. Not according to the committee print.

Mr. HARPER. That is right. It is an error because the language of the bill specifically said that money appropriated in 1959 would be available through fiscal 1960, and it was actually with that money the automobile was bought.

Mr. HORAN. This is not a big item and I know it, but I want to get it clear for the record.

Mr. HARPER. Let us get it clarified because I know it is bothering you.

Mr. NORRELL. Mr. Roberts, you may proceed.

REPORTING HEARINGS

Mr. ROBERTS. For stenographic reports of committee hearings, other than special and select committees, $150,000, the same as appropriated for 1960.

SPECIAL AND SELECT COMMITTEES

For the information of the committee, we submit for the record a tabulated statement showing the various committee investigations authorized during the 86th Congress, corrected to March 31, 1960. This statement shows the total amounts authorized, the amounts expended, and the unexpended balances.

The total authorization for the 86th Congress through March 31, 1960, amounts to $5,762,000.

(The table referred to is as follows:)

Investigating and select committees, 86th Congress, Jan. 3, 1959, to Mar. 31, 1960

Committees

Amount authorized

Amount expended Jan. 3, 1959, to Mar. 31, 1960

Authorized balance avail able Apr. 1, 1960

Agricultural Committee (Congressman Cooley, North Carolina, chairman); H. Res. 93, Mar. 9, 1959; H. Res. 156, Mar. 13, 1959...

Armed Services Committee (Congressman Vinson, Georgia,
chairman); H. Res. 19, Jan. 15, 1959; H. Res. 20, Jan. 29, 1959
Banking and Currency Committee (Housing) (Congressman
Spence, Kentucky, chairman; Congressman Rains, Ala-
bama, acting chairman); H. Res. 81, Jan. 27, 1959; H. Res.
82, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 423, Feb. 17, 1960..

Banking and Currency Committee (Congressman Spence,
Kentucky, chairman); H. Res. 198, Mar. 13, 1959..
District of Columbia Committee (Congressman McMillan,
South Carolina, chairman); H. Res. 143, Feb. 24, 1959.
Education and Labor Committee (Congressman Barden,
North Carolina, chairman); H. Res. 147, Feb. 4, 1959; Η.
Res. 148, Feb. 24, 1959; H. Res. 441, Mar. 24, 1960..
Foreign Affairs Committee (Congressman Morgan, Pennsyl-
vania, chairman) H. Res. 113, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 114,
Feb. 24, 1959..

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Government Operations Committee (Congressman Dawson,
Illinois, chairman); H. Res. 108, Feb. 29, 1959 (rule XI(8));
H. Res. 460, Mar. 24, 1960-

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House Administration Committee (Congressman Burleson,
Texas, chairman); H. Res. 131, Feb. 29, 1959; H. Res. 312,
Aug. 18, 1959...

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Interior and Insular Affairs Committee (Congressman Aspinall, Colorado, chairman); H. Res. 130, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 146, Feb. 24, 1959; H. Res. 437, Mar. 24, 1960.

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Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee (Congressman
Harris, Arkansas, chairman): H. Res. 56, Jan. 27, 1959; Н.
Res. 181, Feb. 25, 1959; H. Res. 410, Jan. 20, 1960

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Judiciary Committee (Congressman Celler, New York, chairman); H. Res. 27, Jan. 27, 1959; H. Res. 92, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 425, Feb. 17, 1960.

Merchant Marine and Fisheries Committee (Congressman
Bonner, North Carolina, chairman); H. Res. 105, Jan. 29,
1959, H. Res. 106, Feb. 24, 1959...

Post Office and Civil Service Committee (Congressman
Murray, Tennessee, chairman); H. Res. 78 and 79, Jan. 29,

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Public Works Committee (Congressman Buckley, New York, chairman); H. Res. 91, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 107, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 421, Feb. 17, 1960..

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Science and Astronautics Committee (Congressman Brooks, Louisiana, chairman); H. Res. 133, Jan. 27, 1959; H. Res. 139, Jan. 29, 1959.

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Small Business Committee (Congressman Patman, Texas, chairman); H. Res. 51, Feb. 4, 1959; H. Res. 100, Feb. 24, 1959; H. Res. 419, Feb. 17, 1960..

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Un-American Activities Committee (Congressman Walter, Pennsylvania, chairman); H. Res. 137, Jan. 29, 1959 (Sec. 18 of rule XI); H. Res. 413, Jan. 20, 1960..

Veterans' Affairs Committee (Congressman Teague, Texas, chairman); H. Res. 101, Jan. 28, 1959; H. Res. 126, Jan. 29, 1959; H. Res. 427, Feb. 17, 1960.

Ways and Means Committee (Congressman Mills, Arkansas. chairman); H. Res. 182, Mar. 9, 1959; H. Res. 206, Mar. 13,

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UNEXPENDED BALANCE AS OF APRIL 1, 1960

Mr. HORAN. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call attention to the authorized balance available April 1, 1960, which appears on page 26 of Mr. Roberts' statement, and I would like to inquire as to what the expected availability will be on June 30 this year.

Mr. NORRELL. All right.

Mr. ROBERTS. I think if I read the next paragraph or two it will explain that.

For the fiscal year 1958, $2,275,000 was appropriated and $2,204,418 was expended; for the fiscal year 1959, $2,200,000 was appropriated and $2,149,761 was expended; for the fiscal year 1960, $2,450,000 was appropriated, and through March 31, 1960, $1,802,550 was expended, leaving a balance of $647,450.

This figure, of course, does not take into consideration expenses or obligations that these various committees have incurred prior to April 1, 1960, and which have not yet been submitted for payment. We hope that the balance of $647,450 will be sufficient to take care of all expenses and obligations incurred through to the end of the fiscal year, June 30, 1960. However, we will not know definitely until about June, so it is doubtful whether or not we will have to request a supplemental appropriation for the current fiscal year.

We are requesting, for the fiscal year 1961, $2,450,000, the same as appropriated for fiscal year 1960.

Mr. Harper. He has hit on something that is confusing and I think I can clear it up.

Mr. Horan, I would like to point out to you, if you start comparing what is authorized during a Congress against what is appropriated during a Congress, you run into confusion, because they do not coincide. Therefore, the statement that $647,450 we have left to take us through June 30, we feel is sufficient. If you appropriate what we have asked for next year, that will carry us through until June 30, 1961, and we shall then be into a new Congress. So, you cannot tie the authorizations and the appropriations too closely.

Mr. HORAN. You think, then, you will be able to make out? Your testimony is that you will be able to make out on what has been appropriated?

Mr. HARPER. Well, I believe the Clerk stated that he is hopeful, but when you have 19 committees spending money, we cannot say positively, but the indications are that this will be sufficient.

Mr. HORAN. That is all, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. NORRELL. You may continue, Mr. Roberts.

JOINT COMMITTEE ON INTERNAL REVENUE TAXATION

Mr. ROBERTS. For the payment of salaries and other expenses of the Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation, fiscal year 1961, $300,000, as compared with $295,000 appropriated for 1960, or an increase of $5,000.

This estimate was submitted as requested and, if your committee desires any further information regarding this particular item, I respectfully refer you to Mr. Colin F. Stam, chief of staff, Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation. Your subcommittee print shows the payroll details of the committee.

Mr. NORRELL. Now, regarding the Joint Committee on Taxation, I know the committee has always looked on that item very sympathetically, but I wonder if you would secure a brief statement for the record as to the need for the small increase.

Mr. ROBERTS. We would be glad to do that, Mr. Chairman.
I am sure Mr. Stam will furnish us with a statement.

(The statement referred to follows:)

CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES,
JOINT COMMITTEE ON INTERNAL REVENUE TAΧΑΤΙΟΝ,
Washington, April 28, 1960.

Mr. ROBERT H. HARPER,
Administrative Assistant to the Clerk for Budget and Finance,
U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C.

DEAR MR. HARPER: This is with reference to the request made by your office for a short statement substantiating the appropriation for the operation of the Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation for the fiscal year 1961 as made by Chairman Mills in his letter to you, dated October 6, 1959.

It is respectfully requested that the amount of $300,000 be appropriated for fiscal year 1961 for the payment of salaries and other expenses of the Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation. This request represents an increase over the fiscal year 1960 appropriation of $5,000. This $5,000 increase is for the purpose of making necessary salary adjustments.

Sincerely yours,

COLIN F. STAM, Chief of Staff.

JOINT COMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY POLICY

Mr. ROBERTS. For salaries and expenses of the Joint Committee on Immigration and Nationality Policy, $20,000, the same as that appropriated for 1960.

Mr. NORRELL. Has any of the $20,000 been expended?

Mr. ROBERTS. No, sir.

Mr. NORRELL. It has not?

Mr. ROBERTS. No, sir.

Mr. NORRELL. You may proceed.

OFFICE OF THE COORDINATOR OF INFORMATION

Mr. ROBERTS. For salaries and expenses of the Office of the Coordinator of Information, our estimate for the fiscal year 1961 amounts to $100,690 compared with $98,970 appropriated for 1960, or an increase of $1,720. This estimate was submitted as requested by the Coordinator of Information. All salaries are set by the Coordinator with the approval of the Speaker except the Coordinator's salary, which is set by law.

TELEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE SERVICES

For the fiscal year 1961, we estimate $1,300,000, the same as appropriated for 1960, there being no change in this paragraph.

STATIONERY REVOLVING FUND

For stationery, an allowance of $1,800 for each Representative and the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico, for the 1st session of the 87th Congress, $788,400, to remain available until expended, the

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