TABLE I.-- Summary of proposed foreign currency activities or projects India Israel Pakistan Poland Spain Taiwan Yugoslavia Total $17,900 $26, 400 $17,900 $2,000 $13,000 $15, 200 $2,000 $13,000 $107, 400 15,800 30,000 50,800 25,300 21,500 4,250 12,950 12,950 20,500 122,050 120,550 7,500 25,000 2,500 2,300 5,000 6,000 48, 300 400 2,000 400 200 500 500 4,000 37,500 10,000 7,500 21,700 210,000 570, 500 Activity Egypt 2,500 100 12,000 25,000 35,000 4,500 6,000 6,000 88,500 1,000 8,000 6,000 5,000 5,000 25,000 26,000 280,000 140,000 1,500 26,000 26,000 49,500 Exploration and survey: 02 Travel (includes per diem).... Acquisition of books and other library materials: 01 Personal services.. 02 Travel 03 Transportation of things 04 Communication services. 06 Printing and binding.... 07 Other contractual services. 08 Supplies and materials. 09 Books, etc... Subtotal. Cataloging of library materials: 01 Personal services... 02 Travel. 04 Communication services. 07 Other contractual services. 08 Supplies and materials.. Subtotal.. Establishment and maintenance of centers: 05 Rents and utility services.. 07 Other contractual services. 09 Equipment...... Subtotal. Total, Library of Congress.. TABLE II.-Fiscal year 1961-Object classification Country 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 equip- 09 books ment 11 Total $500 $12,000 $3,500 $1,000 $600 $26,000 $80,000 25,000 44,000 8,000 15,000 280,000 143,000 500 35,000 15,000 6,000 10,000 140,000 50,000 200 4,500 7,500 200 1,500 7,500 500 6,000 63,000 28,000 500 26,000 80,000 $217,400 754,300 375,000 31,000 262,900 Egypt.. Israel Pakistan. $38, 400 $47,900 $7,500 147,900 63,400 25,000 3,000 69,100 46,900 2,500 4,250 3,050 2,300 Poland.. Spain.... Taiwan. Yugoslavia... U.S. dollar support..... 15,400 38,500 5,000 15, 200 2,000 15,400 39,500 6,000 Foreign currency. 290, 450 256, 450 48,300 5, 200 88,500 207,500 673,000 26,800 10,000 2,163 499, 500 570,500 2, 666, 200 $7,450 145, 200 Total. 405,037 266, 450 48, 300 5,200 88,500 207,500 675, 163 26,800 510, 500 570, 500 7,450 2, 811, 400 RELATIONSHIP OF PROPOSAL TO REGULAR LIBRARY FOREIGN PURCHASES Mr. NORRELL. Generally speaking, contrast this activity with the present activity of the Library as to the quantity and variety of foreign publications currently being provided and obtained. Mr. ROGERS. The Library benefits from a great many foreignexchange arrangements. This particular program, as I have said already, would be most beneficial to us in two ways. We do not maintain abroad at the present time representatives in these various countries to help us keep on top of the publishing program and to know what is coming out and to make selections. Therefore, we miss materials. We find out a year or two later, when it is impossible to get materials, that something important has come out. Secondly, the Library of Congress, which is one of the leading libraries as far as linguistic ability is concerned, lacks language ability in some areas. We would hope through the use of native personnel to get the basic work done over there and finalize it in this country. On both of these points may I say this is very important to other libraries. Many libraries get material from abroad now. It goes into their arrearages because they do not have the linguistic skill to deal with the materials. They hope someday they will have the language ability that will permit them to catalog and get the material on the shelves. TEXT OF PROPOSED LANGUAGE Mr. NORRELL. Taking the language of the bill, I think you should run through and explain the provisions and terms. What is the difference between the $2,666,200 and the $2,051,000 mentioned in the bill? Mr. ROGERS. I think, Mr. Chairman, that the approximately $500,000 relates to amounts in Taiwan and Spain. These are areas where, in the view of the Bureau of the Budget, there will not be money on a continuing basis. They have allowed us to submit programs for Spain and Taiwan on a project basis, which we might work out over 3 or 4 years but for which we could not expect further amounts to be made available by the Bureau of the Budget. These currencies have accumulated under prior agreements and must be used under the terms of those agreements. PROBABLE DOLLAR REQUIREMENT SECOND YEAR Mr. NORRELL. What would be the dollar support required the second year if we approved this program? Mr. MUMFORD. As Mr. Rogers has already pointed out, this is predicated on a 6-month period of acquisition and cataloging. In the second year the amount of foreign currency used might be twice the amount or in the neighborhood of $4 million, and the amount of dollar support might approach double what it is. Mr. ROGERS. I think it would be slightly less than double because there are some dollars involved in the exploratory work which I think would not have to be repeated. NUMBER OF RECIPIENT LIBRARIES Mr. NORRELL. How many libraries in this country would likely be recipients of material acquired or cataloged? Mr. ROGERS. We have not made any final determination, Mr. Chairman, but we have had an advisory committee, as we mentioned earlier, and a subcommittee of the advisory committee has made recommendations to us for placement of materials, and I would say there are something like 30 or more institutions spread geographically from the State of Washington to the State of Florida and from California to Massachusetts recommended as recipients for these publications. Mr. NORRELL. Are there any further questions? Mr. HORAN. It seems to me we may be setting up a program here that will continue through the years. Mr. MUMFORD. I think the basic element is that these currencies are available; they are being used by other agencies; why not use them for a very good educational purpose such as acquisition and cataloging of materials? And aside from the dollar support, as I said earlier, I would assume we will continue to distribute surplus agricultural products and acquire credits and that it would not result in a net additional cost to the Government. The Government will pay the dollars for the distribution of the products. Mr. HORAN. You testified there is some dollar obligation. Mr. MUMFORD. There will be some dollar support but the major part of the program is in terms of the foreign currency. Mr. HORAN. This may be a good thing, but I know when you start a program of this kind you just do not liquidate it overnight. Some of these people will be civil service employees with retention rights, will they not? Mr. MUMFORD. These would be indefinite appointments. We would not incur a permanent liability for additional personnel. The employees are appointed on a temporary or indefinite appointment so there is no permanent status. Mr. HORAN. I sit on the Agricultural Appropriations Subcommittee and that is a troublesome thing to us because we feel the responsibility to use these funds to try to rid ourselves of a very, very troublesome and ery political question which is before the American people and before us as Representatives of the American people. very Our bill for last year's storage of our surplus agricultural commmodities was $481 million that we are paying in this year's appropriation bill that we are marking up tomorrow. Next year it is anticipated to be $612 million for the storage we are buying now, and the projection is over $700 million for storage alone on these surplus commodities. I know something about this marketing development program. Markets are where you find them, where you have people who want to buy what you have to sell. Better than half of the wheat produced in my area is sold abroad, so our people are very close to this and we are maintaining offices in Tokyo and Pakistan and we have men over there to help do this. I do not want to get this confused with the original intent here. I just raised these questions because they do disturb me. I do not say this as criticism at all. I just feel that we should not go seeking for new ways to spend these funds in a hurry-or to indulge in a sort of international WPA. I do see merit in your proposals as I certainly do in the use of these funds for market development for agriculture. However, we must remember that these funds are really not perishable and there is real time in which to study every proposal to the end that they be used wisely. Dr. MUMFORD. I understand. Mr. HORAN. That is all Mr. Chairman. AFTERNOON SESSION Mr. NORRELL. The committee will come to order. Mr. NORRELL. There is one item under this appropriation that we did not discuss this morning. On the new item for "Space rental," we shall insert pages 46A through 46G. (The pages referred to follow:) Nonrecurring costs: 1 truck... Moving costs.. Total.... Recurring costs: Space rental and related costs Rent (62,500 square feet, at $3 per square foot) 1 GS-3 mail and receiving clerk 1 WB-4 driver.. 1 GS-7 nurse.. 3 GS-4 guards___ 1 WB-2 laborer Subtotal. $2,000 50,000 52,000 187,500 $3, 495 4,077 4,980 11, 270 3,078 26,900 214, 400 Total 266, 400 An appropriation of $266,400 is requested for the rental of 62,500 square feet of space and the cost of removal thereto of certain units in order to relieve critical congestion in the bookstacks and work areas in the Library buildings. Of |