Office of Photography, Child Care Center, the non-legislative functions of the Printing Services, Recording Studio, and Records and Registration.

The resolution provides to the Committee on House Administration the authority to prescribe regulations for providing for the orderly transfer of functions.

Mr. FAZIO. When Mr. Rose appears, I think we can ask Mr. Rose questions along those lines.

Mr. YOUNG. Mr. Chairman, we look forward to working with you to expedite the business of the committee. With that, I yield back to you.

Mr. FAZIO. Jim, any comments?

COMMENTS FROM MR. MORAN

Mr. MORAN. Many comments, Mr. Chairman.

It would be nice one day to have the Congress listed as one of the 100 best employers in the country. I would like to see us set a standard, but we certainly have a reciprocal responsibility to command the highest level of efficiency and effectiveness from our employees. I look forward to a very interesting and challenging experience on this subcommittee with you and the other members. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. FAZIO. Thank you. Ron, any comments?

COMMENTS FROM MR. PACKARD

Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Chairman, I look forward to the opportunity of serving with you on this subcommittee which funds the operations of the legislative branch of the U.S. Government. The legislative branch was created as the peoples watch dog, an overseer of the general government. It has a noble mission.

During the next 2 years, I hope to learn more about the operations of various agencies which make up the legislative branch of our government. A review of the material for this hearing remind me somewhat of materials for a city council meeting when I was mayor-police, library, historic preservation, and support for those who work and live in the city.

Capitol Hill is, in a sense, its own little city within a city. Lest we forget, the events of 5 days ago should remind us, what we do here is for all the people of the United States and not for ourselves, for this is their city, their institution.

Again, my friend from California, I look forward to working with

you.

Thank you Mr, Chairman.

Mr. FAZIO. Thank you. I think your comments are pertinent. There probably is no better analogy than running a sizable city. Bob, any comments?

COMMENTS FROM MR. CARR

Mr. CARR. Only that I am glad to be on the subcommittee. I look forward to actually learning a lot more about this institution that I have been part of for 16 years and I look forward to working with all of you.

Mr. FAZIO. Thank you. I think we all learn something every year. There is no question that this is a complex institution in some

ways. We always find our staff useful and helpful and in every instance they are willing to tell us what we need to know.

One of the ways we want to operate is very informally. Mr. Lombard and I have worked up a number of questions which I want to work through and possibly place some in the record. We will get to some of them in a moment.

I always welcome anyone who has any further interest in a subject or any more in-depth level of analysis they want to pursue. They may interrupt at any time. We will go off on whatever that tangent may be or follow a topic further.

MONDAY, JANUARY 25, 1993.

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

WITNESSES

COMMITTEE ON HOUSE ADMINISTRATION

HON. CHARLIE ROSE, CHAIRMAN

HAMISH MURRAY, DIRECTOR, HOUSE INFORMATION SYSTEMS

OFFICE OF THE CLERK

HON. DONNALD K. ANDERSON, CLERK

W. RAYMOND COLLEY, DEPUTY CLERK

MICHAEL HENY, CHIEF, OFFICE OF FINANCE

OFFICE OF THE SERGEANT AT ARMS

HON. WERNER W. BRANDT, SERGEANT AT ARMS

OFFICE OF THE DOORKEEPER

HON. JAMES T. MOLLOY, DOORKEEPER

OFFICE OF NON-LEGISLATIVE AND FINANCIAL SERVICES

LT. GEN. LEONARD P. WISHART, III

STEVEN R. ROSS

OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL

HOUSE POSTAL OPERATIONS

MICHAEL J. SHINAY, DIRECTOR

OFFICE OF THE HISTORIAN

DR. RAYMOND W. SMOCK

LAW REVISION COUNSEL

EDWARD F. WILLETT, JR.

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

DAVID E. MEADE

OFFICE OF THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN

DR. ROBERT C.J. KRASNER, ATTENDING PHYSICIAN

Mr. FAZIO. At this point, we will take up the House of Representatives and several joint items. The House budget is $817 million. The total joint items budget is $85.9 million. We will be hearing from the joint committees, who are funded in the joint items budget, on separate dates.

The combined House and joint items budget which we will be considering here includes staff of the House, direct expenses for

Members and committees, and some activities we share with the Senate. That is $903 million. As you know, the Senate budget is not included in our deliberations. By tradition, we let the Senate determine its own priorities and budget funding.

We want to welcome the officers of the House here today. First, we welcome back Donn Anderson, the Clerk of the House, his seventh appearance before us. Donn is, in effect, the de facto budget officer of the House of Representatives. Normally, he presides over these hearings on behalf of the officers of the House.

Other people who are here, senior managers as well as elected officers, include Werner Brandt, the Sergeant at Arms. This is Werner's first appearance, although it seems he has been on the job forever playing a very important role. We will put his biography in the record for posterity and will be hearing from him later. Is Jim Molloy, the Doorkeeper with us? He will be here when we need him.

We also have Lieutenant General Len Wishart here. Nice to see you, sir. We will be hearing from you later as well. He is the newly appointed Director of Non-legislative Services. And Mike Shinay is here. Mike, we see you frequently; our new Postmaster, Director of Postal Operations, who is doing a fine job.

The customary practice has been to have the Clerk present the entire budget of the House and the joint items. We know at some point in the future that responsibility will pass on to General Wishart, but since he has just joined the House, we are going to have Donn proceed in the way we have traditionally and we would welcome any assistance that General Wishart wants to provide.

We also have the real administrative leader of the House, Mr. Rose of North Carolina, Chairman of the Committee on House Administration. I know his staff is in the room also. Hello, to Bob Shea, the Administration Committees Staff Director. We are glad to have all of you here. The Chairman is going to be presenting the House Information Systems budget and is, I am sure, available to the committee for any other questions that we may want to ask of him. In my opinion, Mr. Rose has made tremendous progress in the House Administration Committee during the tenure he has had there. I think it has been of real benefit to the House to have had his leadership in that roll.

We also have Ray Smock the Historian; Ed Willett, the Law Revision Counsel and David Meade, the Legislative Counsel. I just spoke to Dr. Krasner, who will be up here. And we have Steve Ross, our General Counsel, as well.

I think I have made clear, we will hear the Capitol Police budget separately.

Donn, let's begin. I know we have two of your stalwart colleagues with you, Mike Heny and Ray Colley. We appreciate all of you being here. The floor is yours.

CLERK'S OPENING STATEMENT

Mr. ANDERSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Subcommittee.

May I begin by wishing you a somewhat belated but nonetheless most heartfelt happy new year. My wish includes health and hap

piness for each of you and your families, a successful year of service to your constituents and productive year in legislating during this First Session of the 103rd Congress.

As we present and review the proposed House budget for fiscal year 1994, I wish to thank you for your attention to our needs and our proposals. It has always been a pleasure to work with and serve you. We shall maintain our usual high level of service this

year.

My expression of appreciation to you, Mr. Chairman, extends fully to the Subcommittee's Staff Assistant, Mr. Edward E. Lombard. Our regular contacts with Ed are always productive for both immediate needs and the long-range programs of the House. We greatly appreciate his help and guidance.

I wish to welcome the new Members of the Subcommittee, Messrs. Moran, Carr, Chapman, Young, Packard and Taylor. I trust that you will enjoy your service on Legislative Branch as much as I have enjoyed working with the Subcommittee for the past seven years. I look forward to being the beneficiary of your guidance, assistance and input.

Last year the House adopted an extensive package of administrative reforms including the establishment of the position of Director of Non-legislative and Financial Services. By mutual agreement of the Speaker and the Majority and Minority Leaders, Lt. General Leonard P. Wishart, USA Retired, has been retained as the new Director. Various operations of the current administrative entities of the House will, after a time, be transferred to his supervision. I look forward to working with General Wishart in continuation of my constant objective of providing ever-improving service to the House. General Wishart is present this morning and at this time, Mr. Chairman, it is my pleasure to introduce him to the Subcommittee and yield to him for such remarks as he may be pleased to make.

STATEMENT OF DIRECTOR, NON-LEGISLATIVE AND FINANCIAL
SERVICES

Mr. FAZIO. Welcome.

General WISHART. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee, I too am pleased and honored to be here with you this morning to appear before you in my capacity as the newly appointed Director for Nonlegislative and Financial Services for the U.S. House of Representatives. I appreciate Mr. Anderson's consideration, giving me the opportunity to participate with him in the presentation of the House budget for fiscal year 1994.

I look forward to assuming all the responsibilities identified in the House Resolution 423, which was adopted last year, and I have been working closely with the Officers of the House and with the Committee on House Administration to ensure an orderly and timely transfer of those duties to my supervision. In that regard, I think it is appropriate for Mr. Anderson and me to appear here together this morning since the budget for the appropriations under consideration has been developed under the supervision of the