1 Admiral SHINN. I do not believe we have a specific answer. I would have to provide a specific answer for the record, sir. The two types of training are very similar. In the GCA training that we used to do at Olathe and plan to move to the CIC facility, there are, I am sure, savings to be had over the years. I will have to provide specifics for the record. Mr. SHEPPARD. How long would it take you to get that information? Could you get it and have it back here this afternoon without too much stress on your lunch hour, or not? Admiral SHINN. Yes, sir. Mr. SHEPPARD. In other words, a move is being made from X to Y, geographically speaking. There are certain mechanical attributes to which the admiral has referred. Now we go back to the basis of the funds to be provided. I want to know how much money you will save and how much time it will take to amortize the move. Admiral JOHNSON. That is readily available, Mr. Chairman. It was on this basis that the final decision was made. We will supply it for the record. (The information requested follows:) Cost estimates for relocation of NATTU Olathe to Glynco (a) Electronics installation and checkout equipment_. (b) Military personnel transportation_ (c) Dislocation of allowances__ (d) Shipment of household goods.. (e) Estimated Olathe curtailment costs. (f) Shipment of material and equipment by van.. (g) Shipment of GCA vans by rail--- (h) Structure alteration contract (emergency construction project) $159,000 40, 175 14, 280 97,061 50,000 45, 284 26,700 150,000 1,630 584, 130 Savings. The consolidation of the technical training functions now located at NAS, Olathe, Kans., and the technical training functions at NAS, Glynco, Ga., has been planned basically on annual savings of $280,000 which are expected to result from reduced administrative, maintenance, aircraft, and supply support cost. The urgency of this move has been generated by the material condition of facilities at NAS, Olathe. Repairs and modifications to temporary buildings at NAS, Olathe, will require an immediate expenditure of $177,300 in order to continue training at that location. Amortization period. - $584,130, at $280,000 per year, equals 2 years (approximate.) Mr. JONAS. What will you do with the abandoned facilities? Admiral JOHNSON. At Olathe, sir, they will not be abandoned. There will be a significant base loading still remaining at Olathe, including a very large Reserve air training facility. Mr. JONAS. The only saving will be the incidental costs of having the school at one place instead of two. You will not salvage anything at Olathe. Admiral JOHNSON. Just the mere fact that we do not have to provide two sets of this automatic equipment I talked about results in a savings of $6 million, sir. Mr. REED. I might add on the facilities at Olathe-you are aware the President has ordered impact studies where the military bases are withdrawing. Olathe is one that we have been ordered to go in and study with the Department of Defense for civilian use. Mr. JONAS. That is a good answer. It would mean there is a possibility that those facilities may be abandoned. Mr. REED. There is a possibility of its being used for commercial aircraft overhaul, something of that nature. Again, we are ordered to go into the area. Mr. JONAS. How many students will you move? Mr. HANABURY. Mr. Chairman, I can expand and give you the annual savings right now. It is on our fact sheet. We estimate the annual savings would be $280,000 in administrative costs, savings in aircraft support, some of the things that have already been pointed out. In addition to that, if we stayed at Olathe we would have to spend about $177,000 immediately to rehabilitate existing buildings. Mr. SHEPPARD. The costs shown here for inaugurating this transfer of activity obviously would not include the actual cost of the transportation of personnel in this section of the bill so far as the total requirement dollarwise is concerned, would it? That would appear elsewhere. Admiral SYLVESTER. This appears elsewhere. Mr. SHEPPARD. We are really addressing ourselves literally to a duplication of mechanical devices, and then the money you will save over a period of time to amortize the investment. We have requested that, and you say you have that now. Mr. HANABURY. Yes, sir; that is it. Admiral JOHNSON. Mr. Chairman, is it understood this line item is not primarily for the Olathe move? This is an operational requirement for modernization of training which is required to be done here regardless of any move from Olathe. Mr. SHEPPARD. Then the dollar aspect of what you are addressing yourself to at the moment is under $50,000, is it not? Admiral JOHNSON. I do not think I understand the question, sir. Mr. JONAS. He is saying that this $639,000 would be required even though you do not make the change. Admiral JOHNSON. That is right, sir; probably not quite that much. Mr. JONAS. A little additional cost would be required to complete the change. i Mr. HANABURY. Mr. Jonas, the item you have before you is to expand the large combat information center training building we have down there now. That has only indirect relation, you might say, in connection with the move from Olathe. In other words, by bringing these people from Olathe who are engaged in ground control approach and carrier control approach techniques to Glynco, there will be ancillary benefits to be derived by the marriage of all those functions to the CIC building. But this item here per se, sir, bears little or no direct association to the Olathe move. Mr. JONAS. What about housing and all of the supporting activities? You have a substantial outlay of money to expand this operation at Glynco, have you not? Mr. HANABURY. No, sir. I think we can take them pretty well at Glynco. We will be tight, but we can take them. Admiral JOHNSON. My information, sir, is that there is adequate housing. There is Capehart housing now being built; 225 units of Capehart housing are going up. Admiral PELTIER. I do not recall just what the number is. Admiral PELTIER. They are about 30 percent complete. Admiral JOHNSON. That, with private housing inventory, is sufficient. This has been gone into. Mr. Jonas. Is this school for newly enlisted men in the Navy, recruits, or old Navy personnel? Admiral JOHNSON. It is a combination, really, sir, of new and experienced men, but primarily it is relatively experienced people who are being sent for the first time to get specialized training. Admiral SHINN. That is for CIC. The GCA is a beginning for experienced people. Mr. JONAS. What about barracks for enlisted men without families, messhalls, and all the other supporting recreational facilities? Are they all available? Mr. HANABURY. Yes, sir. Mr. JONAS. OK. Mr. SHEPPARD. In other words, you have a very definite reason for selecting Glynco as against other areas which might have absorbed the operational requirement. That has been very closely reviewed, has it? Admiral JOHNSON. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Mr. SHEPPARD. These are the only expenses that will be involved in this transfer in order to have it completely operational. You will not come back here a year and a half or 2 years from now and say, "We must have more money to take care of the expansion because we moved into this area." Admiral JOHNSON. The $150,000 which is separate from this line item which was mentioned, Mr. Chairman, and the obvious expense of moving, the transportation costs, and so forth. But there will be no other supporting requirements that we can foresee. Mr. SHEPPARD. I was addressing myself to that. It is obvious if we move men from A to B we have to pay to get them moved. We were talking about the finalization of the total operation. NAVAL AIR STATION, MEMPHIS, TENN. Mr. SHEPPARD. We will proceed to the next item, having to do with the Naval Air Station, Memphis, Tenn. Insert page 30 at this point. The preliminary engineering for this item was prepared by the public works officer, 6th Naval District, and is complete. The final plans and specifications have been authorized and are being prepared by the same officer, and will be completed in June 1961. (The following was submitted for the record:) The second project is outlined on page 30 of the program book. It is at the Naval Air Station, Memphis, Tenn., for alteration of the brig at the estimated cost of $94,000. This project will raise the capacity of the existing brig at Memphis from a maximum of 24 to 40 prisoners. The new corrections program is directed at the prevention of prisoner mistreatment, reduction of prisoner population, reduction of the number of repeated offenders, and improvement of brig management. This project will provide adequate space for confinement, work, study, evaluation, and counseling of prisoners. |