Mr. WILLIAMS. Page 41. If you will substitute $95,984,000, fo the $97,085,000 and then increase the item on line 20 of page 42, a I have indicated, from $5,290,000 to $6,376,000 and on page 43, line 7 increase that $15,000, bringing that up to $90,000, that will set the whole thing up on a proportionate basis.

Senator MCKELLAR. Anything else?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I think that that is covered sufficiently. think that I covered Senator Lodge's question about the acciden compensation.

Are there any further questions on that? I think that that wa covered.

SUBSTITUTION OF "STUDENT WORK PROGRAM" FOR "STUDENT AID"

I would like, Senator, if I could, to get you to rectify one thing in the House bill and that is on page 40, line 24.

I would like to have you strike out the words "student aid" and pu in the words "student work program."

I want to get rid of that word "aid," those words "student aid." Senator MCKELLAR. Why?

Mr. WILLIAMS. It is more in line with what we are actually doing Senator MCKELLAR. Why?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Because these students work for the money the receive, and it should be so connoted in the language of the law. The are not given aid; they work for it.

Senator MCKELLAR. The students work for it, but it aids then That is in line 24.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

Senator RUSSELL. What page?

Senator McKELLAR. Page 40.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Strike out the word "aid" and substitute for it th words "work program." That is what we want. Student aid is misnomer.

Senator RUSSELL. You do not make any actual grants?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No; they work for the money.

Senator MCKELLAR. It aids them mightily.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, it does; but the word "work" we think more in keeping with the nature of the program. They work for th money in all cases.

PROHIBITION AGAINST CIVIL SERVICE FOR N. Y. A.

Now, might we take just a minute to discuss this civil servi prohibition here that was included in the House bill?

Senator MCKELLAR. What is that?

Mr. WILLIAMS. That is page 46, paragraph 14. This provision contrary to the Ramspeck bill now pending before the Senate. WI we want to be sure of is that if the Ramspeck bill should be acted. favorably in the Senate prior to action on this appropriation, th we will not be thrown out of the civil service on the basis of t having been passed after the Ramspeck bill passes.

The Ramspeck bill as passed in the House includes the Nation Youth Administration and if this appropriation act were to pass afte the Ramspeck bill passed in the Senate then it would take precede

over it. This appears to be inconsistent, and I think it would avoid confusion if paragraph 14 of this title were stricken out. Senator MCKELLAR. Anything else?

GEOGRAPHIC WAGE DIFFERENTIAL

Mr. WILLIAMS. Senator, I do not know whether you want to discuss the wage question or not. The House bill contains the same provisions that obtain in the W. P. A., that there shall be no geographic wage differential greater than is justified by differences in the cost of iving. I am in favor of that. I just want you all to understand that in the N. Y. A. this provision may result in less actual number of youths being employed in the South than are employed now, because we will raise the wages of all southern youths, which I am very much in favor of, but actual fund distribution will not be affected. What we do now is

Senator RUSSELL. You mean, Mr. Williams, that you will break this down by States rather than by the total funds in the bill?

Senator MCKELLAR. Where is it in the bill?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Paragraph 4, Senator. We will distribute our money on the basis of youth population as we do today so that fund distribution in any one State will not be changed.

FUNDS DISTRIBUTED ON BASIS OF YOUTH POPULATION

Senator RUSSELL. It will be distributed on the basis of the number #youths, and that is what this is, youth appropriation. Mr. WILLIAMS. That is right. We do not want to change that. This will not change that. All that I want to point out is that since unds are being distributed on the basis of the youth population, thich I think is a fair basis, this wage provision will result in a decrease the number of youths employed in these States where wages are creased, because more dollars will have to go to each youth mployed. I am in favor of it, but I just wanted to make that atement.

STANDARD FOR DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS

Senator RUSSELL. I do not know whether I am, because I want to ach as many people as possible under this program; but I do feel tat there should be some standard of distribution of this money. Now, this is not based upon the youth population, is it in the law it is?

Mr. WILLIAMS. No; that is merely an administrative rule. That an administrative rule, that is all.

Senator RUSSELL. Well, suppose that you submit for the consideraof the committee, Mr. Williams, an amendment that would ite into this law the basis of the youth population rather than this brision here. (See p. 224.)

Mr. WILLIAMS. You mean, to take this out?

Senator RUSSELL. I think that that should be taken out, and that Ovision should be put in the law covering what you say is already vered by an administrative ruling, distributing the funds on the sis of the youth population.

Mr. WILLIAMS. All right; I will be glad to do that,

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Senator RUSSELL. I would like to have that, because I think that there ought to be some standard set up in the law. All of these organizations were thrown together very hastily. Congress never sought to exercise any control over them at all and there ought to be some law or something in the law to that effect.

Mr. WILLIAMS. I would be glad to have that made a part of the law.

Senator RUSSELL. I would like very much to have you submit tha for the consideration of the committee.

Senator MCKELLAR. Prepare it and put it in the record. Prepare a provision that you think will bring that about.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

(The provision requested follows:)

The National Youth Administrator shall so distribute funds among the severa States for the operation of the projects specified in paragraph 1 (b) of this titi that the amount made available during the fiscal year for the operation of suc projects for the benefit of the young people of each individual State shall bea substantially the same ratio to the total funds made available for this purpose all States as the youth population of that State bears to the total youth populatio of the United States.

Senator MCKELLAR. Does anybody else want to be heard; is ther anyone else here?

Mr. WILLIAMS. That is all I have to say, Senator.

Senator RUSSELL. Mr. Williams, do the House hearings show ver clearly the number of people reached in the various States; did th House go into that very extensively?

Mr. WILLIAMS. They went into it, Senator, but I would really lik to ask the privilege of leaving a statement which I have prepared, very brief statement summarizing our present program, and if could have the privilege, I would like very much, Mr. Chairman, have this inserted in the record.

Senator RUSSELL. Are there any tables in the House hearings the show the number of people who got relief in the same States? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; in the House hearings.

Senator MCKELLAR. Hand that statement to the reporter, and may be included in the record at this point.

STATEMENT SUBMITTED BY AUBREY WILLIAMS

(The statement referred to is as follows:)

There are employed at the present time by the National Youth Administrati 746,268 young people. Of this number, 314,310 are employed on projects in h schools, 120,040 are employed in colleges and universities and 311,918 are employ on projects under the out-of-school work program.

STUDENT WORK PROGRAM

The 314,310 young people working on projects in high schools earn an aver of $4.41 per month. For this they work an average of 18 hours a month and paid an average of 25 cents per hour. These young people are on projects 28,301 high schools located in 3,055 counties in the United States.

There are 120,040 young people working on projects in colleges and universit Projects for these young people between the ages of 16 and 24 are operated in 1 colleges and universities. They are located in every State in the Union, Alas Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. The average wage paid college youth is $12.59 month.

Since the establishment of the National Youth Administration on June 26, 193 there have been 721,000 National Youth Administration high school and coleg

students who have graduated from 28,301 high schools and 1,698 colleges and universities participating in the National Youth Administration student work pro

gram.

A total of 603,700 National Youth Administration students in the high schools have graduated during this period and 117,300 National Youth Administration llege students have received higher degrees.

The type of work performed by National Youth Administration students in these schools and colleges covers a wide range of projects, of which the following re examples:

1. Assistance in the construction of swimming pools, tennis courts, amphiLeaters, recreation rooms, adobe office buildings, bus garages, broadcasting units, taining walls, roads, drainage ditches, sidewalks, etc.

2. Remodeling of buildings.

3. Ground beautification--tree surgery, removal and planting of trees, landaaping and terracing.

4. Repair and manufacture of furniture; repair of steps, floors, windows, etc. 5. Installation of electrical equipment; construction of models for exhibitions; testing and repair work upon machinery and appliances; upkeep of equipment in electrical shops.

16. Construction of science units in portable boxes to be loaned to the public stools and other organizations upon request. Each unit consists of a set of Landmade apparatus demonstrating a scientific principle.

17. Seed cleaning, selection and preparation in agronomy departments; preparing Mecimens for laboratory demonstration in botany, zoology, bacteriology, medical uc dental departments; classification and identification of specimens for classPoin work in geology, metallurgy, forestry and horticulture.

Laboratory testing of products and materials used at the college and by Este offices; testing of drinking water and swimining pool water to determine bed for special filtration; analysis of milk used by the college.

Cataloging, indexing and classifying library books; binding and book *air: clipping and cataloging magazine and newspaper articles; acting as circulatodesk assistants and library departmental assistants.

10. Preparation of charts and graphs for classroom work in history, economics, Boernment and sociology; preparation of freehand charts of nervous system and Momological subjects; enlargement of textbook ebarts and graphs; graphic presentation.

1. Surveys of building illumination; of graduates, their professions, salaries, te: of delinquency; of Negro population; of student life; of business; of traffic se of food products; of relief youth; etc.

12 Scoring and tabulating results of tests; computing averages; gathering and alyzing statistical information.

13. Occupational and guidance research; research in chemistry, physics, tology, sociology and economics.

14. In the departments of physics, geology, zoology, botany, metallurgy, and tods of medicine, construction of museum models, tracing cabinets, telescopes, cimen cases, sound equipment, mine models, ore collections and samples, atomical models, etc.

15. Collection, classification and preparation of supplementary teaching Materials for training schools; arrangement of exhibitions of class-room work: ration of motion-picture machines for visual instruction; assistants in Teachers' acement Bureau.

OUT-OF-SCHOOL WORK PROGRAM

There are 311,918 youth between the ages of 18 and 24 employed on the out-ofol work program. They work an average of 52 hours a month and receive verage of 29 cents per hour. The average monthly earnings throughout the ted States is $15.06 per youth. Of these young people, 176,667 are boys and 4251 are girls. They are employed on 20,000 projects in 2,903 counties. me are also employed about 10,000 persons as foremen, supervisors, and timeThe types of projects on which these young people are employed are as

pers.

They accomplished, among other things, the following results last year:

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