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COVERAGE OF NONPROFIT HOSPITALS UNDER NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS ACT, 1972

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON

LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE

UNITED STATES SENATE

NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

ON

H.R. 11357

TO AMEND THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS ACT TO EXTEND ITS COVERAGE AND PROTECTION TO EMPLOYEES OF NONPROFIT HOSPITALS AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

AUGUST 16 AND SEPTEMBER 6, 1972

Printed for the use of the
Committee on Labor and Public Welfare

86-073 O

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1972

COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE

HARRISON A. WILLIAMS, JR., New Jersey, Chairman

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CONTENTS

CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 16, 1972

Hardy, George, international president, Service Employees International
Union, AFL-CIO, accompanied by Michael McDermott, assistant to the
president, local 399, Los Angeles, Calif., and executive board member;
Timothy Twomey, secretary-treasurer, Local 250, San Francisco, Calif.,
and vice president, SEIU; Harry Kurshenbaum, organizing director,
Local 73, Chicago, Ill.; Leo Geffner, counsel; Lester Asher, counsel;
Richard Murphy, legislative representative__

Metcalf, Hon. Lee, a U.S. Senator from the State of Montana.
Munger, Mary, R.N., vice chairman, Commission of Economic and General
Welfare, American Nurses Association; accompanied by Alice L. Ahmuty,
R.N., director; Anthony Battore, M.D., executive secretary, Committee
of Interns and Residents, New York; and Michael Horowitz, attorney-
Battore, Anthony, M.D., executive secretary, Committee of Interns and
Residents, New York, N. Y.........

Hitt, David H., chief operating officer, Baylor University Medical Center
Dallas, Tex., accompanied by William J. Emanuel, labor attorney, and
member, special committee, American Hospital Association of Labor
Relations and Personnel Management; and Dr. Leo J. Gehrig, M.D.,
acting director, American Hospital Association Service Bureau, Wash-
ington, D.C..

Alderson, Frederick K., vice president and director of legislative liaison,
National Right To Work Committee...

Fields, Ogden W., former executive secretary, National Labor Relations
Board..

Albert, Alfred, Deputy Solicitor, Department of Labor.
Gibbons, Myles J., counsel, Hospital Association of Pennsylvania, ac-
companied by Leon A. Cord, director, management and fiscal affairs;
and John F. Wick, public affairs director, Hospital Association of
Pennsylvania

Painter, John, association administrator, Providence Hospital, Washington,
D.C.; accompanied by Robert J. Smith, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius; and
Robert J. Hickey, counsel for Providence Hospital...

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 1972

Pomrinse, David S., M.D., director, the Mount Sinai Hospital of New
York; accompanied by Robert Kaufman, counsel, Greater New York
Hospital Association; and Richard Epstein, counsel, Hospital Associ-
ation of New York State...

Whelan, William M., executive director, California Hospital Association,
William J. Emanuel, Esq., counsel, California Hospital Association;
Thomas M. Vogt, counsel, Minnesota Hospital Association; O. Ray
Hurst, executive director, Texas Hospital Association; Robert E.
Debacker, executive director, Louisiana Hospital Association; a panel.
Newcomer, James D., vice president, Ohio Hospital Association; ac-
companied by Jerry N. Ranschoff and Richard V. Whelan, Jr.,; George
H. Yeckel, executive director, Missouri Hospital Association; accom-
panied by Clifton L. Elliot, attorney; Marc Ihm, president, Iowa
Hospital Association; accompanied by Donald W. Dunn, executive vice
president; a panel....

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STATEMENTS

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Albert, Alfred, Deputy Solicitor, Department of Labor.

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Alderson, Frederick K., vice president and director of legislative liaison,
National Right To Work Committee..

Prepared statement..

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Battore, Anthony, M.D., executive secretary, Committee of Interns and
Residents, New York, N. Y..

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Bromberg, Michael D., director, Washington Bureau, and Samuel A.
Weems, chairman, Legislative Committee, Federation of American
Hospitals, Washington, D.C., prepared statement (with exhibits).
Catholic Hospital Association, St. Louis, Mo., prepared statement...
Communications Workers of America, Washington, D.C., prepared state-

ment..

De Backer, Robert E., associate administrator of Schumpert Memorial
Hospital, Shreveport, La., prepared statement.

Fields, Ogden W., former executive secretary, National Labor Relations
Board..

Prepared statement...

Gibbons, Myles J., counsel, Hospital Association of Pennsylvania, accompanied by Leon A. Cord, director, management and fiscal affairs; and John F. Wick, public affairs director, Hospital Association of Pennsylvania.

Prepared statement (with attachment). Hardy, George, international president, Service Employees International Union, AFL-CIO; accompanied by Michael McDermott, assistant to the president, Local 399, Los Angeles, Calif., and executive board member; Timothy Twomey, secretary-treasurer, Local 250, San Francisco, Calif., and vice president, SEIU; Harry Kurshenbaum, organizing director, Local 73, Chicago, Ill.; Leo Geffner, counsel; Lester Asher, counsel; Richard Murphy, legislative representative.. Hitt, David H,. chief operating officer, Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas, Tex.; accompanied by William J. Emanuel, labor attorney, and member, special committee, American Hospital Association of Labor Relations and personnel management; and Dr. Leo J. Gehrig, M.D., acting director, American Hospital Association Service Bureau, Washington, D.C....

Hurst, Ray O., executive vice president, Texas Hospital Association, pre-
pared statement..

Ihm, Marc, president, Iowa Hospital Association, prepared statement..
Massachusetts Labor Relations and Federal Jurisdiction, prepared state-

ment..

Metcalf, Hon. Lee, a U.S. Senator from the State of Montana_
Munger, Mary, R.N., vice chairman, Commission of Economic and General
Welfare, American Nurses Association; accompanied by Alice L. Ah-
muty, R.N., director; Anthony Battore, M.D., executive secretary,
Committee of Interns and Residents, New York; and Michael Horo-
witz, attorney..

Prepared statement.

Newcomber, James D., vice president, Ohio Hospital Association; accompanied by Jerry N. Ransohoff and Richard V. Whelan, Jr.; George H. Yeckel, executive director, Missouri Hospital Association; accompanied by Clifton L. Elliot, attorney; Marc Ihm, president, Iowa Hospital Association; accompanied by Donald W. Dunn, executive vice president; a panel.

Prepared statement..

Painter, John, association administrator, Providence Hospital, Washing-
ton, D.C.; accompanied by Robert J. Smith, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius;
and Robert J. Hickey, counsel for Providence Hospital...
Pomrinse, David S., M.D., director, the Mount Sinai Hospital of New
York; accompanied by Robert Kaufman, counsel, Greater New York
Hospital Association; and Richard Epstein, counsel, Hospital Associa-
tion of New York State __

Sister Rosa, administrator, Providence Hospital, Washington, D.C., pre-
pared statement..

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