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Mr. BECK. At any time there is manpower shortage there is a heavy demand for office machinery.

The CHAIRMAN. In this miscellaneous item you have set down at 12.5 million, or about half of the whole set-up: What is that?

Mr. BRAMBLE. We had to estimate that from the different types of machines which they took in 1947, what they were aiming for. I have the 1947 statistics here but it would take some little time to go through and pick out all of the machines and give them to you.

Mr. BECK. That is something that was cut; the 12.5 million was a very drastic cut.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You do not know whether they need them or not?

The CHAIRMAN. You do not know too much about it, do you? Mr. BRAMBLE. We do not know definitely on what projects they are going to put the machines. We feel that is the type of thing that the administrator will have to decide, and if we made up our mind he might change it.

DENMARK

The CHAIRMAN. You have Denmark down for $4,000,000.

Mr. BRAMBLE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. What is that?

Mr. BRAMBLE. I can give you something to indicate what the Denmark figures are. I understand that most of it is for metal-working and textile machinery, with some miscellaneous.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, you do not know?

Mr. BRAMBLE. I can get it.

Mr. BECK. That includes machine tools, textile machine tools, ball and roller bearings. In respect to the miscellaneous item, our telegram did not cover more than some 10 or 12 items in every case, and apparently they considered that the request did not cover the demand, because they just threw in miscellaneous items.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you have anything down for France that you can tell us about?

Mr. BRAMBLE. I have the figures for Denmark now.

The CHAIRMAN. Very well, tell us what they are, if you can.

Mr. BRAMBLE. Construction machinery was $100,000; machine tools, $600,000; other metal working machines, 2.5 million dollars; textile machinery, 1.3 million dollars.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you say wood working machines?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Metal working.

Mr. BECK. Other metal working.

Mr. BRAMBLE. Other than machine tools.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You have not attempted to check the needs of these items at all yourself; you are going to leave that all to the Administrator?

Mr. BRAMBLE. It is easier to tell what the general order or magnitude of the requirements would be than to tell what were the needs for any particular plant.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That does not answer my question. I asked you if it is not a fact that you had made no effort to check the

needs for these machines you are telling us about, but you intend to leave that to the Administrator after he gets to it?

Mr. BECK. The amount of machinery

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You can answer that question yes or no and then qualify it.

Mr. BRAMBLE. We have checked it.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You have checked over these particular requirements.

Mr. BRAMBLE. And I will qualify it more in detail.

Mr. BECK. They were checked also by committees.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You say you have checked them.

Mr. BRAMBLE. Yes; but not in detail.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Will you tell us what kind of a check was made? Mr. BRAMBLE. We compared these with the exports that they received from the United States in 1947 and with the prewar exports which you see here; and we checked that.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What was the result from that?

Mr. BRAMBLE. We saw that the requirements indicated were greater; that the receipts for 1947 were less than they used to get before the war.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. So what?

Mr. BRAMBLE. And we recognized that these countries have been shut off from materials, replacement materials, this type of machinery, during the war period, and it was quite reasonable that they wuld need

this amount.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That is the basis of the conclusion you reached, what you have just told us now?

Mr. BRAMBLE. That is the basis of my conclusion.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That is all.

The CHAIRMAN. Has anybody made any more check?

Mr. BRAMBLE. The individual people who worked on the countries there were country committees for each one of these countries, and they screened those figures for more detailed information than I am speaking of.

The CHAIRMAN. What sort of committees were they?

Mr. BRAMBLE. They were interdepartmental committees set up with people from the Department of Commerce, Department of State, and in some cases the Treasury Department; and I think we had some people from the Federal Reserve System; in other words, people in the Government who are familiar with the economic conditions of those countries.

The CHAIRMAN. They were not people who had spent any time over there checking anything; you did not have any representative, to amount to anything, who knew about the operation?

Mr. BRAMBLE. We have, of course, the constant consular reports from these countries; they were made use of also in doing this job.

In addition to that Mr. Tell Berna, of the machine tools industry, was in my office, and he also brought with him men who had returned Europe recently and who are familiar with the machine position in those countries, because it was their business to sell machines over there, and they gave us the benefit of their work. Unfortunately they could not give us any exact figures because those figures just did not

exist.

FRANCE

The CHAIRMAN. What can you tell us about France?

Mr. BRAMBLE. In France I think the largest item that they want is in the form of machine tools, which, of course, is the sort of thing that would have been looted by the Germans.

The CHAIRMAN. Why would the Germans have looted that stuff? Mr. BRAMBLE. First, to keep it from falling into the hands of those who would use it for manufacturing.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean that was looted after the invasion? Mr. BRAMBLE. That is right.

Mr. BECK. Also the fact that those facilities were bombed; they were the type that produced war materials.

The CHAIRMAN. How much is the machine tool item?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Their requirement was $40,000,000.
The CHAIRMAN. And how much did you allow them?

Mr. BECK. $40,000,000 was screened before; their requirement was $90,000,000 before; that was the amount of orders on the books, and they estimated that $40,000,000 would be required during the first year of the program.

The CHAIRMAN. That $90,000,000 was orders on the books?
Mr. BECK. Actually on the books of industry in France.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean the machine tool industry in France had $90,000,000 of orders?

Mr. BECK. Yes; the American representative of the machine tools concerns gave me that information; he has spent some 26 years in France on machine tools work.

The CHAIRMAN. They have been given those orders, or does that mean that they were supposed to get the orders?

Mr. BRAMBLE. They had

The CHAIRMAN. They were supposed to get the orders over there? Mr. BECK. Those were bona fide orders on the dealers' books. The CHAIRMAN. Is this $40,000,000 on top of that, or is this just taking a part of that off?

Mr. BECK. $40,000,000 is what they required just for the first year of the program.

The CHAIRMAN. That is just for the first year?

Mr. BECK. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. We are just taking off what they had on their books; is that the idea?

Mr. BECK. No; this is something that has been adjusted.

The CHAIRMAN. Why was it adjusted? You mean you have $40,000,000 for the first year and they have $90,000,000 on their books that we are just taking over?

Mr. BRAMBLE. They have not received the $90,000,000.

The CHAIRMAN. No, but they had orders on their books for that and we are just taking over the payment of that amount?

Mr. NITZE. All of these figures set up in the brown book are estimates of the exports from the United States to these countries regardless of who are to pay for them, if the amount is going to be more than indicated on the commodity sheet.

Mr. BRAMBLE. They may pay for a portion of them.

The CHAIRMAN. What else do you have besides machinery, tool machinery?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Textile machinery. Their requirement was $20,000,000, but that had to be cut. I do not believe they can get anywhere near that amount from the United States.

The CHAIRMAN. What else? Did they have any orders on their books for that?

Mr. BRAMBLE. I do not know.

Mr. BECK. We did not receive that information.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Chemical processing machinery, $25,000,000. And I might say with respect to machine tools, that the machine-tool industry in the United States is probably in position to furnish machine tools, whereas for the chemical processing and the textile machinery they cannot do anything like the same extent. The CHAIRMAN. What else?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Equipment for the manufacture of synthetic fertilizer, $20,000,000.

If you wish, Mr. Chairman, I can put this statement in the record.
The CHAIRMAN. No; I want to get it for my use. What else?
Mr. BRAMBLE. Food processing, 1.1 million dollars.

Tobacco processing, 1.1 million dollars.

Internal combustion engines-that would be what?
Mr. BECK. Those are power units.

Mr. BRAMBLE. Yes, $500,000; ball and roller bearing, $2,000,000.
The CHAIRMAN. Ball bearing?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Ball and rollerbearing. Then there is another item of other machinery which is defined as excluding the types that we have listed, but including other machinery that was not given as special machinery, in the amount of $63,000,000.

The CHAIRMAN. $63,000,000.

Mr. BRAMBLE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. That was the request for that amount?
Mr. BRAMBLE. Yes; the total was $188,000,000.

BREAKDOWN OF REQUIREMENTS FOR VARIOUS COUNTRIES

Mr. BECK. Mr. Chairman, I have a copy of a statement which happens to be something from which Mr. Bramble's copy seems to have been made, which includes the different categories. Possibly this would save you a lot of time.

Mr. CHAIRMAN. What is this?

Mr. BECK. It is for the countries from which we have had reports to date.

Mr. BRAMBLE. That is on a 15 months basis, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. These are their requests?

Mr. BECK. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. I think we might put that in the record. Do you have any other copies of this?

Mr. BECK. There are no other copies here.

The CHAIRMAN. We can put this in the record after we are through with the break-down.

There are a lot of them outside of this particular set-up. This covers 7 countries out of the 16?

Mr. BRAMBLE. Belgium is not included, although we do have some information for Belgium, which I have given already.

The CHAIRMAN. We will put this statement in the record at this point.

(The statement referred to follows:)

Requirements, other machinery, from United States of America, Apr. 1, 1948, to June 30, 1949

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The CHAIRMAN. Italy is not shown here.

Mr. BRAMBLE. We did not receive the requirements from Italy, but she is down for a small amount of machinery.

The CHAIRMAN. You did not receive the requirements for Italy? Mr. BRAMBLE. That is correct; we received no requests.

Mr. BECK. Mr. Chairman, Greece gives you a good example of the screening that has been mentioned, as having been done by the country committees. You will note Greece asks for $21,250,000, whereas we show on the table that Greece has been cut down extremely.

NORWAY

The CHAIRMAN. Norway seems not to have been on the list either. Mr. BRAMBLE. No. For Norway we have the 1947 imports, but they were not in position to estimate their requirements. Incidentally,

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