COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

18-254 O

FEBRUARY 1, 2, 3, 1983

Serial 98-3

Printed for the use of the Committee on Ways and Means

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COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

DAN ROSTENKOWSKI, Illinois, Chairman

JOHN J. SALMON, Chief Counsel

JOSEPH K. DOWLEY, Assistant Chief Counsel

ROBERT J. LEONARD, Chief Tax Counsel

A. L. SINGLETON, Minority Chief of Staff

CONTENTS

Press releases of Thursday, January 6, and Friday, January 28, 1983, an-

nouncing the hearings...........

WITNESSES

Department of Health and Human Services, Hon. Richard S. Schweiker,

Secretary, Hon. John Svahn, Commissioner of Social Security, and Robert

J. Rubin, M.D., Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation

National Commission on Social Security Reform:

Alan Greenspan, Chairman......

Robert M. Ball..

Joe D. Waggonner, Jr.

Robert A. Beck..

Mary Falvey Fuller.

Alexander B. Trowbridge.

Hon. Claude Pepper.

Hon. John Heinz...

Martha Keys

Lane Kirkland.......

Hon. Robert Dole.

Hon. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Robert J. Myers, Executive Director

American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, Lane

Kirkland...

Ball, Robert M., former Commissioner of Social Security, and member of the

National Commission on Social Security Reform

Beck, Robert A., chairman of the board, Prudential Insurance Company of

America, and member of the National Commission on Social Security

Reform.

Dole, Hon. Robert, a U.S. Senator from the State of Kansas, and member of

the National Commission on Social Security Reform..

Fuller, Mary Falvey, member of the National Commission on Social Security

Reform...

Greenspan, Alan, Chairman, National Commission on Social Security Reform.

Heinz, Hon. John, a Representative in Congress from the State of Pennsylva-

nia, and member of the National Commission on Social Security Reform.......

Keys, Martha, former Member of Congress, and member of the National

Commission on Social Security Reform.

Kirkland, Lane, American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial

Organizations, and member, National Commission on Social Security

Reform.

Moynihan, Hon. Daniel Patrick, a U.S. Senator from the State of New York,
and member of the National Commission on Social Security Reform.........

Myers, Robert J., Executive Director of the National Commission on Social

Security Reform.......

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National Association of Manufacturers, Alexander B. Trowbridge
Pepper, Hon. Claude, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida,
and member of the National Commission on Social Security Reform....

Prudential Insurance Company of America, Robert A. Beck....

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Trowbridge, Alexander B., National Association of Manufacturers, and
member of the National Commission on Social Security Reform

Waggonner, Joe D., former Member of Congress, and member of the National

Commission on Social Security Reform....

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Wright, Hon. Jim, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, and
Majority Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives

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