(The documents are as follows:)

EXHIBIT A

Approximate annual volume of mail-order and over-the-counter sales of pistols and revolvers and rifles and shotguns for the year 1964 for Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc.

Approximate volume of mail-order and over-the-counter sales in relation to total sales of Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc. for 1964

EXHIBIT B-1

Relationship of firearms sales to total divisional sales and to total sales for the year 1964 of Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc.

Relationship of—

Percentage

Mail-order firearms sales to total mail-order sales_.

34

Mail-order firearms sales to total company sales..
Over-the-counter firearms sales to total over-the-counter sales___
Over-the-counter firearms sales to total company sales.
Total firearms sales to total company sales-----

15

21

10

25

Relationship of hunting department1 sales to total divisional sales and to total sales for the year 1964 of Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc.

Relationship of—

Mail-order hunting department sales to total mail-order sales_
Mail-order hunting department sales to total company sales----
Over-the-counter hunting department sales to total over-the-counter
sales___

Over-the-counter hunting department sales to total company sales-
Total hunting department sales to total company sales---

Percentage

1 Hunting department includes, in addition to firearms, such items as rifle scopes, ammunition, hunting clothing, hunting footwear, firearms cleaning equipment, firearms books, gun cabinets and racks, binoculars, police equipment, and similar items. NOTE. Percentages shown are approximate and are rounded out to full digits.

EXHIBIT C

Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc.: Sources of firearms for year 1964 with approximate cost value of orders placed

Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc.: Sources of firearms for year 1964 with approximate cost value of orders placed—Continued

NOTE.-Winchester, Remington, Savage, Mossberg, Smith & Wesson, and Hi Standard firearms were purchased in part or in total from the following distributors: Brown Supply Co., 416 South Adams St., Peoria, Ill.; Faber Bros., 350 Ontario St., Chicago, Ill.; H.H. Harris Co., 1137 South State St., Chicago, Ill.; Point Sporting Goods, Co., Inc., Stevens Point, Wis.; Williams Gun Sight Corp., Davison, Mich.

Senator DODD. Let me ask you, Mr. Waldman, are you for this bill? Mr. WALDMAN. Mr. Chairman, this bill will certainly eliminate mail-order interstate firearms sales to criminals, to juveniles, to other undesirables. I would think it likely that complementary legislation by the States would further reduce mail orders to criminals and to juveniles and undesirables.

It will reduce the importation of surplus military weapons and certain other types of firearms and probably those firearms would be lower priced than those that are commercially available.

I think that over-the-counter restrictions will assist the State in which the sales is made, and it will assist the State in which the purchaser lives, and consequently there will be a reduction in the number of firearms that goes into the hands of criminals, juveniles, or other undesirables.

There has been much testimony here by people who are expert in many areas. There are conflicting points of view, I appreciate. My position doesn't give me either the competence, the expert competence that is required, nor can I have a completely objective view, because of my involvement in the business.

I want to say that if it is the judgment of this subcommittee that this bill will accomplish the objectives, and that whatever conflicting views there might be cannot be reconciled, then we are for the bill. Senator DODD. I haven't heard you say anything bad about it. I take it you must be favorably disposed toward it from what you have just said.

Mr. WALDMAN. I could take absolutely no exception to the objectives of this bill.

Senator DODD. That is very encouraging. You are a man who is head of a company that has been engaged in the sale of firearms for a long time. It is an old company, and it is well thought of by those who are familiar with it. I take your testimony as being very important this afternoon and very encouraging, as well. I think for a man who is head of a large organization of this kind to come here and say that he can't see any objections to it is quite a compliment to this bill. You should have heard some of the testimony we have had.

I am also greatly encouraged by what you said about your efforts to be careful in your sales of firearms. I don't know how long it is that you have been. How long a time have you refused to consign mailorder weapons to persons with post office boxes?

Mr. WALDMAN. It would be either the latter part of November 1963, or the very first part of December 1963.

Senator DODD. The latter part of 1963, after November of 1963 ?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes, sir.

Senator DODD. I raise the question because I think your records show that in 1962 there were a good many shipments of handguns to the State of Pennsylvania, but that was before you changed your policy.

Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.

Senator DODD. Well, I don't want to badger you or be hostile to you. My own judgment is that this is the way things were going, and that your efforts to get a more careful check are entirely commendable. I think this has been true of other mail-order houses in this country, particularly the responsible ones.

You see what is so troublesome is that we find that 15 percent of the persons who have ordered and received these weapons by the mail-order route have had felony records. I say this was before your policy change. I think it was a bad condition, and I am sure you feel so.

My own judgment, Mr. Waldman, is that this will not destroy your business if this bill is passed, but that you will find ways of selling your merchandise in local outlets.

Is there anything that you would like to say about the bill, where you think it could be made stronger or improved, improved in the sense that you think it would be a better bill in any respect?

Mr. WALDMAN. Mr. Chairman, it is disturbing to me that there are no penalties attached to misinformation given to dealers by

customers.

Senator DODD. I think you have a good point.

Mr. WALDMAN. We are not policemen. We have no means of verifying the information given.

Senator DODD. That is right. Of course, this is true. This is one of the reasons I introduced the bill. I don't see how we can expect businessmen to carry out a rather detailed and difficult investigation that would be required in each prospective sale of a gun. You would certainly increase your burden of cost tremendously. It seems to me it can only be done by legislative control.

Wouldn't you agree?

Mr. WALDMAN. We look to the law for that. We have no means of accomplishing it.

Senator DODD. I know that. That is why I complimented you on this change in policy with respect to the sale of mail-order firearms after 1963. Even that, however, will be inadequate unless we have some law to enforce.

And your point about falsifying information, on the part of the purchaser is, I think, a very good one.

I commend you, Mr. Waldman, for coming here. You have presented a constructive statement. We are grateful for your testimony.

Thank you.

Mr. WALDMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. HESS. Thank you, Senator.

Senator DODD. Mr. Samuel R. Maxwell. Mr. Maxwell is of the Washington State Sportsmen's Council, Inc. He has been chairman of the firearms legislation committee of that council for several years. He edits a column in Fishing and Hunting News, which is a publication circulated, I believe, in Washington, Oregon, Colorado, and maybe other places.