In addition to that, there is a water container with a plastic liner to contain water. There are medical supplies-medical kits-a sanitation kit, and there is also a set of radiation instruments that can be used to read radiation rates within the shelter area. There are 49 items in all in these various packets.. SHELTER SUPPLY LEVELS Senator MONRONEY. How long a period is this supposed to sustain lives? How many lives? I mean, in each shelter? Mr. ROMм. Our objective, Senator, is to stock up to 2 weeks of supplies for each shelter occupant. This means that building owners have to give up storage space in usually, highly valuable commercial areas. Our experience has been that they have provided space for about 60 percent of the shelter capacity in the facilities which have been stocked, which means on the average, we have, to date, stored shelter supplies for 78 million people for an 8-day supply. In addition, our shelter survey locates and identifies the amount of water that is trapped in these structures, as well as available food, which can be used in emergencies. STABILITY OF STORED WATER Mr. MONRONEY. You try to keep the water present in the shelter area? Mr. Roмм. Yes. Mr. MONRONEY. Do you put it in this year and expect to drink it next year? Mr. ROмм. The water is put into these containers under local Health Department supervision. They certify that the water is healthful. There are purification tablets in the sanitation kit. Our research and the research of the Public Health Service indicated that this water remains potable. INSPECTION OF SHELTER SUPPLIES Mr. MONRONEY. Does anybody ever look at it though? Mr. MONRONEY. There was quite a lot of criticism, I know, a while back. There were empty tins which were rusty; no attention had been paid to any of these storage conditions. Mr. Roмм. We have had some problems with the water drums in terms of storage conditions and where they have not been filled properly. However, this relates to a very small proportion of the total drums that have been placed in shelters. Our experience indicates that these drums do hold up if they are filled properly. They are inspected at least annually by the local government and in addition we have initiated a surveillance inspection operation through the defense supply agency where they use the military veterinarians, the Army and Air Force veterinarians. They, in fact, do a sampling survey in terms of readiness of shelter stocks and their condition. PARTICIPATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS Mr. MONRONEY. Do the local authorities participate free? Do they check up on the water, and on the food supply? Mr. ROмM. Those that have stocks do. This is part of their local program and it is performed by local civil defense people who participate in the civil defense program with or without Federal matching funds. Mr. MONRONEY. Why cannot the police and the health authorities do something for themselves? It seems like we should not have to pay them for that. Would you put into the record the percentage who participate without Federal funds? Mr. Roмм. I have the information right here. Mr. MAGNUSON. All right. If you will include this in your remarks, we will be pleased to have this information in the record. Mr. MONRONEY. It seems to me that local inspection by civil authorities is necessary. We just let Uncle Sam do it all, then we charge him for trying to stockpile stuff to keep our people alive. This is a very poor way to cooperate on civil defense. Mr. ROMM. Senator, the effort is always at the local level. These stocks are supplied by the Federal Government, but the local governments place them in the shelters; and they are responsible for maintaining and inspecting them. With regard to the number participating. There are over 7,000 jurisdictions of local government that have accepted shelter supplies, placed them into the shelters and are taking care of them. Over 4,200 of the larger cities and counties covering about 85 percent of the population of the country submit program plans which include scheduling time for shelter stock inspections. Senator MAGNUSON. A great number of them do. I want the figure in the record as how many do it without money. Mr. ROMM. 1,900 of these political jurisdictions participate in the Federal personnel and administrative matching program so the remainder are in the civil defense program without any matching salaries. Senator MONRONEY. That is all. STOCKING PROGRESS TO DATE Senator MAGNUSON. In how many places do we have stocks in comparison to the number of fallout shelters? Mr. ROMм. We have 83,000 facilities with stocks in them. Senator MAGNUSON. Out of 110? Mr. ROMм. Out of 175,000. Senator MAGNUSON. I understand that. I just want to know how many are stocked, now. Mr. Roмм. Approximately half are stocked. Senator MAGNUSON. Of the shelters that have been marked and designated. Mr. Roмм. 83,000 of the 101,000 marked structures have been stocked. STOCKING PROGRESS IN FISCAL YEAR 1967 Senator MAGNUSON. How many were stocked as of last year? What I am trying to find out is how far we have progressed, if at all. Mr. ROмM. During the year, an additional 8,400 facilities have been stocked. Senator MAGNUSON. 8,400. How much did that cost? Mr. ROмм. The stocking for those? Senator MAGNUSON. Yes. Mr. ROMM. The average unit cost of these supplies is $1.89 for 2 weeks' stay. It would be $1.89 times the number of spaces. Senator MAGNUSON. Well, how much does it cost to stock the 8,400 places? Mr. Roмм. It costs $1.89 for each shelter space for 2 weeks. There are 9 million shelter spaces in the 8,400 facilities stocked for an average of 8 days. Senator MAGNUSON. Yes. How much does it cost to buy the products for the 8,400 places? Mr. ROMм. These 8,400 places, each of them have different capacities in the number of shelters. Senator MAGNUSON. I understand. How much did the taxpayers pay for the 8,400. Mr. ROMм. Something around $12 million. Senator MAGNUSON. $12 million. That is what I wanted to know. COST OF STOCKING PROGRAM TO DATE Now, 8,400 is about 10 percent isn't it? Mr. Rомм. Yes, sir. Senator MAGNUSON. So the total stocking program as of todayby a rule of thumb-would be about $90 million. Would that be correct? Mr. ROMM. $140 million has been applied to procurement, warehousing, and transportation of shelter stocks. Senator MAGNUSON. About $140 million. So that to date, to stock and to bring the program up to where it is now, how much have we spent? Senator ALLOTT. Do you mean in supplies alone? Senator MAGNUSON. In supplies. Just stocking. Mr. Rомм. Approximately $140 million. Senator MAGNUSON. $140 million. So we spent $140 million to bring the program up to where it is. This is just stocking? Mr. ROмм. Yes. COST OF MARKING PROGRAM TO DATE Senator MAGNUSON. Now, how much does it cost on the marking program? Mr. ROMM. The marking program is estimated to cost about $56 a facility to mark them. Senator MAGNUSON. We have been marking more each year as I remember it. Mr. ROMM. That is right. Senator MAGNUSON. How much does it cost to bring it up to date? Mr. ROMм. 101,000 have been marked at a cost of about $5.7 million. That is to mark them inside and outside. -Senator MAGNUSON. For the record, the total amount which was spent for stocking and marking-you mark them and then you them. you stock COST OF SURVEY PROGRAM TO DATE Mr. ROMм. Plus survey costs. Senator MAGNUSON. How much would that be as a rule of thumb? Mr. Roмм. Our survey costs have been about 60 cents per space located; so the survey costs have been about $96 million. That is over a 6-year period. COST OF SURVEY, MARKING, AND STOCKING PROGRAMS TO DATE Senator MAGNUSON. So that would give us about nearly $250 million, would it not, for the total program, as a rule of thumb—the shelter survey, marking, and stocking, since we started the program? Mr. ROMM. Yes. Senator MAGNUSON. All right. How much did you ask for this fiscal year, 1968, in those three categories? Mr. ROMм. The entire shelter program in our budget request was $27.9 million. Senator MAGNUSON. $27.9 million. So if we appropriated that amount $28 million let's say in round figures-we would have $275 million, in round figures? Mr. ROMм. Yes, sir. Senator MAGNUSON. For the program if we carried on through. Mr. ROMм. That is continuing the current program. Senator MAGNUSON. Yes. Through fiscal year 1968, $275 million. That is for this program? Mr. ROMм. That is for the shelter survey, marking and stocking programs. PERCENTAGE OF PROGRAM COMPLETION Senator MAGNUSON. Now, how far do you estimate you have to go to finish the shelter-let's take the survey first. How complete are we in the survey program? Mr. ROмм. We estimate that Senator MAGNUSON. I understand that. I know this will be continuing but we can get a close estimate? Mr. ROмм. It will be a continuing program. We estimate that in the shelter program within the next 5 years, we will be at the place where continuing new construction keeps up with the increased growth in population. Senator MAGNUSON. Well, what is the percentage up to date? Mr. ROMм. We estimated we will locate approximately 230 million spaces Senator MAGNUSON. I am not talking about numbers. I am talking about if you estimate in 5 years, you will get Mr. ROMM. You will get 230 million spaces. We have now 160 million spaces. Senator MAGNUSON. Then you are about 60 percent complete. This is what I wanted to have, on the survey program. Now, give us the same figures in the marking program. Mr. ROMм. The marking, we are about Senator MAGNUSON. Which necessarily would follow the survey program. Mr. ROMм. Yes, sir. Marking is about 40 percent complete. Senator MAGNUSON. 40 percent complete and the stocking program is what percent complete? Mr. ROмм. The stocking is about 30 percent complete-one-third. It is one-third complete. POTENTIAL COST OF SURVEY, MARKING, AND STOCKING PROGRAMS Senator MAGNUSON. So that if it cost us $275 million up to date, we would be spending over a half billion dollars, is that right? That is if we were to complete the program according to the plans and they are subject to modification. However, it has to be continued-I understand that. Mr. Rомм. Or more. Senator MAGNUSON. Or more. Mr. ROMM. That is right-over a 10-year period, including 5 years past. Senator MAGNUSON. There is no slippage on this. It goes the other way; but you can get those figures. However, I would estimate it would cost about $600 million. Mr. Roмм. Well, sir, the projected program for this continuing program with all the support, that is Senator MAGNUSON. I am just talking about the actual survey, marketing, and stocking. Those are easier figures to get at. Mr. ROмм. Yes, sir. Senator MAGNUSON. Now, there are other costs that surround this, once you get a place surveyed, marked, and stocked. Mr. ROMM. There is continuing maintenance. Senator MAGNUSON. That would be, I think, a conservative estimate, just for those three items-$600 million. HISTORY OF CIVIL DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS Senator ALLOTT. Mr. Chairman, if you don't mind, at this point, it might be appropriate to put in the record that since the separation of civil defense from OEP, in fiscal year 1962, we have appropriated $207.6 million, in fiscal year 1962; in fiscal year 1963, $128 million; in fiscal year 1964, $111.569 million; in fiscal year 1965, $105.2 million; in fiscal year 1966, $106.78 million; in fiscal year 1967, $101.1 million; which totals in the last 6 years, including the past fiscal year $760,249,000. Senator MAGNUSON. On this program. Mr. ROMм. That is the total program. Senator ALLOTT. That is the total civil defense. POTENTIAL COST OF TOTAL CIVIL DEFENSE PROGRAM Mr. Roмм. Comparable figures were projected for the next 5 years and were approximately $800 million. Senator MAGNUSON. Then if we are about 50-percent complete of where you think you should be-we are talking about $1.5 billion or $1.6 billion. Mr. ROMM. You pinned down exactly what our cost estimates were for 10 years-5 past and 5 projected-$1.6 billion. Senator MAGNUSON. Generally, we are about in the middle of the projected 10-year program. |