Mr. SISCO. Well, the Foreign Ministers were, I gather, m pressed with the grasp of the Latin American problems wh Secretary of State has. Anybody who has worked with Hen singer learns one thing: you can be the action officer on the East or Latin America, or whatever it is, but you can be su by the time he gets fully involved in this kind of conference, know more about that particular area than you do, the s expert, and I think the Latin American meeting, Senator Spa illustrates that right to the point.

I am full of admiration for our Secretary of State in te the kind of preparation that he involved himself in and I thi was reflected not only in the meeting itself but I think that ea of the Foreign Ministers felt here was a man that had a very g interest, and I am told by those there he was greeted with and this I might say is a new experience in Latin America for of us in present times.

IDA'S INTEREST TO LATIN AMERICA

Senator SPARK MAN. You mentioned IDA. Is that of great in to Latin America?

Mr. SISCO. Very much so. At this meeting in Latin Ameri Secretary of State indicated that we would pursue this matter f with the Congress in hopes that everything will be done so th IDA replenishment, IDA IV, will in fact be achieved. This is important to Latin America.

It is important to a number of other parts of the world. A think that it has been a constant in the situation and we indicated that we want to participate.

As you know, the IDA would run out of its committable 1 after July 1 and our donation is necessary to reach the 80 pe participation level which determines whether IDA IV will go effect or not, and the fact of the matter is if we indicate and a a position to indicate what we are going to do, obviously others go ahead and make their commitment, but if we should falter I think you would find that others would equally falter and, there it would be a very serious situation indeed.

Senator SPARKMAN. I agree with you in the importance of and I do hope that we can do our share in supporting it. Mr. SISCO. Thank you for your support.

Senator SPARKMAN. Let me ask Senator Aiken.

Excuse me for just a few minutes.

Senator AIKEN. I found your statement generally very good. I looking over some of your requests for additional funds.

FACILITATION OF EXPANSION OF U.S. EXPORTS TO SAUDI ARABIA

I notice $1.2 million to establish a permanent ambassadorial resentation in Oman and to facilitate the expansion of U.S. exp to Saudi Arabia.

Do you expect that increased exports to Saudi Arabia would matched by increased imports from Saudi Arabia?

Mr. SISCO. Basically, our approach, Senator, to Saudi Arabia the present time is to try to work something out with them in prov

ing American technical help, American advice, in what they are very, very interested in, namely, the industrialization of their country.

We do have a military assistance relationship with Saudi Arabia. The question of oil is self-evident. And they have had good experience over the years with American technology.

As we look ahead to the future our hope is that we can deepen our relationship not only in the military assistance category but likewise in economic and financial matters.

They are interested, for example, in science and technology, this kind of thing. We returned from Saudi Arabia, just a week ago and it was clear to me from these discussions that this is a matter of continuing interest. I think that we have got an opportunity here to develop in these areas.

It will not only afford business opportunities for our business people, export and that sort of thing, but I think they are as much interested in the actual technology and our advice and I think we can move on both fronts in this regard.

Senator AIKEN. You think then they might be able to pay cash for any exports that we send them rather than balance them off with increased imports from that country?

Mr. SISCO. Well

Senator AIKEN. We don't have a balance of trade with them now, do we?

Mr. Sisco. No. I think on the whole they will be in position to pay for many of these things with cash.

Senator AIKEN. I hope so.

WEST GERMAN OPINION OF PROPOSED U.S. EMBASSY IN EAST BERLIN

I notice you asked for $1.4 million to open an Embassy in East Berlin, probably very soon.

What does West Germany think of that proposal?

Mr. SISCO. The West Germans have no difficulty with it, Senator. As you know, from what has occurred over the past weeks and months, closer contacts and relationships have developed between both East and West. The opening of this Embassy I should make clear does not constitute formal diplomatic relationships on our part. The East Germans now have been recognized by about 100 countries. Really, if I want to be very literal and technical, it is really a new post rather than an Embassy. We do not intend in the foreseeable future for there to be a resumption of formal diplomatic relationships.

[The following information was subsequently supplied:]

CLARIFICATION CONCERNING U.S. EMBASSY FACILITIES IN EAST BERLIN

[Supplied by the Department of State]

We have asked the East Germans to provide us with suitable Embassy facilities in East Berlin but they have not yet met our minimum requirements in this area. When they have done so, we are prepared to have formal negotiations in Washington, looking toward the formal establishment of diplomatic relations with East Germany. Those negotiations will be concerned with the functions of the respective Embassies, consular relations and the handling of claims problems. The establishment of relations with the GDR is a matter of protecting our own interests and the interests of our citizens by affording Ameri

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tourists consular services and assisting American businessmen to buy from or sell to East German enterprises. Three additional po be useful, namely:

-In international law, the establishment of diplomatic relations imply approval of another government's internal or foreign policies. -The GDR became a member of the United Nations in September -The GDR now maintains diplomatic relations with more than 10 approximately 70 of which have recognized the GDR since December 1

ANTICIPATED RECOGNITION OF MONGOLIAN PEOPLE'S REPUBL Senator AIKEN. $600,000 for a new mission in Ulan Bator, th tol of Mongolia, in anticipation of U.S. recognition of the Mo People's Republic. I think that was considered a few years ag How do the Mongolians' neighbors regard this? Do they feel about it than they used to? Does Mongolia herself feel better ab Mr. Sisco. I want to be very sure. We have been in negotiation the Mongolians on this matter for some time.

As you know, Senator, those negotiations have not been cond Our hope is that they will be, but I can't really point to an specifically.

Candidly, Senator, for internal administrative reasons we are ing for roughly May for concluding the negotiations. Whether w achieve agreement by that time or not I don't know.

Senator AIKEN. That is for Mongolia ?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, sir.

Senator AIKEN. I was wondering if Russia and China are reco to the idea.

Mr. Sisco. The Soviets have not interposed any objection to i

RELATIONS WITH CUBA

Senator AIKEN. In that respect, how are things going with Cul Mr. Sisco. Well, on Cuba I think that I can't really report any development or for that matter any new development in our p I know that it has often been said that we have moved toward relationships with the Soviet Union and we have moved toward a dialog with Communist China, why not Cuba?

My answer to it really is the one which the Secretary of State in a press conference here just a couple months ago. He said at time that "The major obstacle to rapprochement with Cuba has the hostility of the Cuban Government"-here I am quoting from statement, "and its commitment to revolutionary policy throug the Western Hemisphere." And I can't add to that, Senator A That is what the policy is and that is where it stands and I have n ing new to report.

Senator AIKEN. Cuba gets along very well with her neigh through all of South America and Canada and Mexico?

Mr. SISCO. Yes and no.

For example, it is interesting, in referring a moment ago in the cussion with Senator Sparkman, at the Mexico City meeting, I th if you were to run down and go country by country in Latin Ame that you would find a Latin America that is divided on this partic issue. Some would favor closer relationships, others are very, wary of this.

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Senator AIKEN. I understand that, but I was also referring to Canada and Mexico.

Mr. SISCO. Yes, sir, that is correct.

RENEWAL OF FULL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH SWEDEN

Senator AIKEN. The last question I have: Why are we so reluctant to renew full diplomatic relations with Sweden?

Mr. SISCO. I would answer that question by an expression of hope. I would hope that this matter which is under active consideration will move in that direction at a reasonably early date.

Senator AIKEN. I would hope so. Several of my close neighbors in Vermont have recently been over there to ski meets. So far there haven't been any complaints from them of the treatment they received, but we will wait and see.

A few years ago I cosponsored a resolution with Senator Cranston, I believe, to the effect that just because we didn't like their faces we shouldn't refuse to do business with them and have relationships with them.

Mongolia was the country we had in mind at the time. Apparently that has worked in some other countries, but not in Mongolia so far.

That is all.

CUBAN SITUATION

Senator SPARKMAN. I want to ask a followup question on the Cuban situation.

Is our policy still geared to the implementation of the 1964, I believe, OAS sanctions against Cuba?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, sir.

Senator SPARKMAN. How many Latin American countries have digressed from that statement, and opened up diplomatic relations again with Cuba?

Mr. Sisco. Seven have digressed from that particular resolution. Senator SPARKMAN. Senator Aiken brings out that some of them never did operate under it. Are these seven additional?

Mr. SISCO. These are seven that have diplomatic relationships with Cuba.

Senator SPARK MAN. Seven in all?

Mr. Sisco. Yes, sir.

Senator AIKEN. Out of twenty?

Mr. SISCO. Out of twenty-three.

Senator SPARKMAN. Will the Cuban issue be of major importance in the OAS Foreign Ministers Conference? That is scheduled for next month, isn't it?

Mr. SISCO. Yes, sir.

Senator SPARKMAN. In Atlanta?

Mr. SISCO. I doubt it very much. It did not arise in the previous round in Mexico City and I would doubt that it would be a matter of major preoccupation at the next round. I think that the conference coming up next month will be a followup on the specific agenda that was laid out in the previous meeting. I think there is a preoccupation obviously with a number of the specific problems of the overall relationships between the Latin American countries and ourselves.

Now I don't say that this Cuban problem is not in the bac but it did not come up in any specific sense.

U.S. DENIAL OF VISA TO GUTIERREZ ALEA

Senator SPARKMAN. Let me ask this question. This relates thing that was in the press, as I recall, not too long ago.

The State Department denied a visa to a Cuban film Gutierrez Alea, who had been invited to the United States to an award from the National Society of Film Critics for hi acclaimed and nonideological movie entitled "Memories of development."

Can you give us the explanation of that?

Mr. Sisco. I am completely unfamiliar with that, Senator just have to beg out and put it in the record. [The information referred to follows:]

DENIAL OF VISA TO GUTIERREZ ALEA

[Supplied by Department of State]

The Department received, about Januray 16 via the Swiss Embass vana, an inquiry whether visas would be issued to Mr. Gutierrez Alea Saul Yelin, an official of the Cuban Academy of Arts and Industry, to the United States so that Mr. Gutierrez could accept the award mad National Society of Film Critics. In response the Department took the that it would not be prepared to issue visas to Mr. Gutierrez or Mr. Yeli they apply at one of our Embassies or Consulates.

In the light of information available to the Department regard Gutierrez and Mr. Yelin, we believed that, should they apply at one Embassies or Consulates for a visa, they would be found ineligible un tion 212 (a) (28) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. In addition keeping with long-standing policy with respect to Cuba, we would not pared to recommend to the Attorney General a waiver of ineligibility visas could be issued to Mr. Gutierrez and Mr. Yelin.

Visas are isued to Cuban officials coming to the United Nations, in with obligations of the U.S. under agreements with the United Nation time to time visas are issued in humanitarian and other cases of Cubans to come to the United States. Normally, however, our policy remains one couraging travel between the United States and Cuba consistent with eral policy of isolating Cuba as well as our support for resolutions of ganization of American States providing for Cuba's diplomatic and e isolation. Our position in the cases of Mr. Gutierrez and Mr. Yelin, 1 restrictions on the use of U.S. passports for travel to Cuba, are reflect this policy.

Senator SPARKMAN. I would appreciate it. I am not sufficien formed on it to be critical, but it does seem to me a pity that w not work out a more satisfactory relationship with Cuba, which all lies just 90 miles away from us.

That is just a comment and doesn't call for a reply.

Mr. SISCO. That was my judgment.

[Laughter.]

Mr. Sisco. I was being very prudent.

STATUS OF PANAMA CANAL NEGOTIATIONS

Senator SPARKMAN. With reference to the Panama Canal, is the status of those negotiations now? Some time ago, I believ