Captain JACKSON. We have a water supply at Melville. We need

piping.

Mr. FRENCH. Where is Melville?

Captain JACKSON. About 8 or 10 miles north of Newport, on the bay.

Mr. FRENCH. You have plenty of water there?

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. FRENCH. What is it, wells?

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir; it is spring water from wells.

Mr. TABER. Is it a pumping proposition or a gravity proposition?

Captain JACKSON. It is a gravity proposition.

Mr. TABER. It would flow by gravity down to your station?
Captain JACKSON. No, sir; not to the station.

Mr. TABER. Then, it is a pumping proposition.

Captain JACKSON. It is a pumping proposition to the station.
Mr. TABER. You would have to have at least a 4-inch line?

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. TABER. How many people have you got there?

Captain JACKSON. We have there at the training station an average of 1,500 people, but there is a naval hospital that has quite a number of people, including officers and men, in it, and then there is a torpedo station at Goat Island.

Mr. FRENCH. What would be the cost of developing your own system at Melville, piping it on down, and putting in a pumping plant or whatever would be necessary to connect up with your pipelines, and in that way supplying this plant, the hospital, the torpedo plant, and any other establishments we may have there, with water? Captain JACKSON. That has been estimated on. I think it is about $200,000. It is quite high.

They have had this project up in Yards and Docks, and the Government is condemning land around Melville, because this water flows around where cows are kept, and they want to prevent its pollution. They are condemning land in the vicinity of this water supply.

Mr. FRENCH. What are they using this water supply for at Melville?

Captain JACKSON. To supply the vessels that come in there. Mr. FRENCH. Of course, this apart from the immediate subject, but do you know how much water they use at the torpedo station and hospital?

Captain JACKSON. No, sir; I do not know. One thing more, and that is that this water supply in Newport is a limited supply, and in Pase you have to expand there as a war measure, so that you would have to have a great number of people in camp at Newport, or, say, 25,000, which is in accordance with the project, it is doubtful whether The Newport Water Co. during certain parts of the year would be able to supply the camp.

Mr. FRENCH. Having it in mind, then, even on the basis of $200,000 cost to develop the water system, if you charge enough for he hospital use and for the torpedo station on Goat Island, the mount we are paying here would be sufficient to capitalize the cost of the project. When we consider the cost of these other two projects, t looks as though it would be worth while to examine into it, to see I economies could not be effected.

Captain JACKSON. We have one officer in the Navy Department right now, Commander Duncan, of Yards and Docks, who has these figures with regard to the water supply at the naval station at Newport in his head. He is very anxious for you to have them. because he feels very strongly on this subject. He has been trying in every possible way to make the Newport Water Co. come down in its price.

Commander ALLEN. This project in Yards and Docks is a completed thing so far as the estimates are concerned. It has not been brought before Congress because it was a question of priority and they could not get the money.

Captain JACKSON. There is one other thing on the water proposition: While it is higher now than before, even with the higher charges, they put in incorrect meters, so that we got the benefit of cheaper water previously. This year they discovered that and put in new meters. We had been getting considerably more than they thought we were getting. We did not make any mention of it, of

course.

Mr. FRENCH. The item for lectures and suitable entertainments for apprentice seamen is a small one.

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir.

FIRE PROTECTION

Mr. FRENCH. For the fire department, you estimate $3,000. How does that differ from the item for fire apparatus?

Captain JACKSON. It is a little more than it was before. Yards and Docks had a lot of buildings over at Coddington Point, where the old camp was, that had not been sold, and they had been paying their share of the fire protection. Now that they are sold, it is different. They used to pay 50 per cent of the fire protection, but now the training station pays 80 per cent; 80 per cent of it is paid out of "Maintenance, training stations."

Mr. FRENCH. Do you use it?

Captain JACKSON. No, sir; but we have a fire department there and we have a few buildings at the training station. There are the war college buildings. I consider that we can cut out Coddington Point entirely, and we would have 80 per cent of the buildings at the naval training station. Twenty per cent are at the naval station, including the war college buildings and the communication buildings, which belong to the Newport station. Therefore, we have to have some fire department for that.

REPAIR AND OPERATION OF AUTOMOBILES AND TRUCKS

Mr. FRENCH. The next item is for repair and operation of automobiles and trucks, for which you estimate $5,000.

Captain JACKSON. The motor transportation equipment for all stations in this vicinity is pooled in the training station garage which is operated by the naval station. We have two units, the naval station and the naval training station. The naval station includes the naval training station, the hospital, the torpedo station, and the Melville fuel plant. The motor transportation, as I have said, is pooled in the training station garage that is operated by the naval station. Each activity is charged for truck service its prorata share of the operating expenses on the basis of service rendered Centralization is the interest of economy.

GARBAGE DISPOSAL AND SANITARY MATERIALS

Mr. FRENCH. The next item is for garbage disposal and sanitary materials, for which you estimate $7,000. That is about the same as the cost for 1924.

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir. The removal and burning of garbage in the station incinerator and materials for destruction of mosquitoes, vermin and other pests are covered by this item. The removal of garbage is the largest element and the current expense is the minimum permissible.

Admiral SHOEMAKER. We spent more than that for 1924. We spent for that year, $7,006.63.

Mr. FRENCH. That item is considerably larger than the corresponding item at San Diego.

Captain JACKSON. I was referring to a report the other day, which said that they could not get a contract for garbage, so that they had to use their own enlisted force to do it. They said that they could not get a contract for the removal of garbage, and that they had to use their own force to do it.

Mr. FRENCH. The item here for garbage disposal and sanitary materials is so much larger than the corresponding item for San Diego that I wish you would check up on that and see if economies can not be effected. Again, have you considered the question of selling the garbage at Newport?

Captain JACKSON. I have asked about that, and I am quite certain we can not do it. I do not see any places around there that could use it. It can be sold sometimes to people who keep pigs, but I do not see any prospect of that there at all. I will find out about it.

Admiral SHOEMAKER. They asked $2,000 more this year; $9,000 was the station estimate.

Captain JACKSON. Our estimate was based on the actual cost.

OPERATION AND REPAIR OF LOCOMOTIVES AND CRANES

Mr. FRENCH. The next item is for the operation and repair of locomotives and locomotive cranes, for which there is nothing esti

mated for 1926.

CLERICAL, MESSENGER, AND DRAFTING FORCE

The next item is for the clerical, messenger, and drafting force, for which you estimate $12,600, as against an expenditure of $10,101.44 in 1924. That is an increase of about $2,500.

Captain JACKSON. That clerical, drafting, and messenger force is the same in number of employees as for 1925. The difference between $15,701.60 appropriated in 1923 and 1924 and the $12,600 appropriated in 1925 and recommended for 1926 was not due to any reduction in force but to more nearly meet the annual actual expenditures. The expenditures average $10,200 at present rates of pay. A margin is necessary to meet possible wage board increases or possible increase in force.

ALL OTHER CONTINGENT EXPENSES

Mr. FRENCH. The next item is for all other contingent expenses. for which you estimate for 1926 $12,000, as against an expenditure of $14,650 in 1924.

Captain JACKSON. About $6,000 of our contingent expenses is for leave of employees. The rest is for mess gear, mess hall equipment, galley equipment, etc.

Mr. FRENCH. Suppose you include in your statement several of the larger items.

(The statement requested is as follows:)

Mr. FRENCH. Turning to the men in training at the Newport Training Station, how many men will you train during the year 1926! Captain JACKSON. Our estimate was made for a thousand plus. Mr. FRENCH. You mean a thousand men plus in training all the time?

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. FRENCH. Which would mean approximately 5,000? Commander SMEALLIE. Yes, sir; figuring on a basis of 10 weeks 5,000 men will be trained at Newport during the entire fiscal year 1926, with but three training stations in operation.

Captain JACKSON. A thousand is the minimum. It will be a little more than that, probably.

Mr. TABER. It will be 5,000 all the time at the three stations? Captain JACKSON. No, sir; a thousand at each all the time, in periods of 10 weeks.

CAPACITY OF BUILDINGS

Mr. TABER. Captain, I was asking you two or three questions and we were sidetracked. You said that building A had a capacity of how many?

Captain JACKSON. Five hundred and twenty.

Mr. TABER. And B has a capacity of what?
Captain JACKSON. B has a capacity of 600.

Mr. TABER. And C has a capacity of what?

Captain JACKSON. Of 969. The total capacity of the three is 2,089. Then we have the Constellation, an old ship that we can put a couple of hundred on; so we have a maximum capacity of 2,300 on that station.

Mr. TABER. So you have sufficient capacity by hooking up buildings A and C to take care of all that you contemplate having, have you not?

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. TABER. And A and B will probably take care of all that you will have?

Captain JACKSON. Yes, sir. But we have to put a few in C, because A is 520 and B is 600, but A has got to be to Bas 3 is to 5, because one has three-eighths/and the other has five-eighths, so that - 600 in B would not fill up A. Chas three wings. We can put any one of those wings in commission. They have a drill hall in each wing.

Besides that, we have at Coddington Point a detention barracks which we could use for training 350 men; not making any repairs on it, because it is in fairly good condition right now. So we have a capacity on that station of between three and four thousand men, and the only additional cost would be the additional heating for that Coddington Point plant.

GREAT LAKES NAVAL TRAINING STATION

Mr. FRENCH. The next item is for the training station at Great Lakes, where the current law provides $250,000 and you are asking for $250,000 for 1926.

(Admiral Shoemaker introduced Capt. Waldo Evans, Commandant Great Lakes Training Station.)

Captain EVANS. In my original estimates I asked for $325,000, but the Budget allotment is $250,000.

CONDITION OF BUILDINGS

Mr. FRENCH. A word, Captain Evans, with regard to the plant itself. What is the general condition of the buildings at the Great Lakes Station?

Captain EVANS. The permanent buildings at the Great Lakes Station are in very good condition. However, some repairs are

needed.

- Mr. FRENCH. What is the type of building?

Captain EVANS. They are brick buildings; red brick.

Mr. FRENCH. All of them?

Captain EVANS. All of the permanent buildings.

Mr. FRENCH. How many are permanent buildings and how many are war buildings?

Captain EVANS. We have 43 permanent buildings of all typesofficers' quarters, etc. --and of the war structures still remaining in use 109.

Mr. FRENCH. Of the permanent and temporary buildings, a good many have been turned over to the Veterans' Bureau, have they not? Captain EVANS. A portion of our land has been turned over to the Veterans' Bureau, but most of the buildings on that land were removed before we turned over the land. However, there are still quite a large number of buildings on land remaining that we turned over to the Veterans' Bureau; but those are not included in this number that I gave you.

Mr. FRENCH. Then you are speaking specifically to the buildings occupied by the training station at Great Lakes?

Captain EVANS. Yes, sir; and not of the Veterans' Bureau land.