Organizationally, we propose that there be one director of the OFCCP. There would be a separate division for the operational aspects of the veterans and the handicapped workers' programs. Likewise there would be field personnel who are specialists in each of these areas. We would combine functions in the policies and procedures, evaluation, administrative, and clerical areas where we could take advantage of common program elements. No new supervisory layers would be created.

SECTIONAL BREAKDOWN OF UNEMPLOYMENT

Mr. CONTE. Mr. Secretary, I don't know whether the question was asked about what the unemployment situation is right now, but could you give us a breakdown as to sections of the country, the East, West, the Central section? Could you do that?

Secretary DUNLOP. The question has not previously been asked of me today about the regional breakdown of unemployment, though we talked about the difficulties of the problem of measuring unemployment in specific localities. If you would like we will give you for the record a set of information dealing with regional differences in unemployment.

INDUSTRIAL BREAKDOWN OF UNEMPLOYMENT

Mr. CONTE. Fine. Another thing we have been reading is that in the auto industry it is as high as 20 percent. I wonder if you have any figures in your shop showing the unemployment broken down in types of industries and the amounts?

Secretary DUNLOP. Yes; certainly we do. They are regularly published. We will include that in the record, also, sir.

[The information follows:]

5051-A

Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years and over 1974 annual averages

Preliminary (11-month average).

1/ Estimates for this State or area were derived from data drawn from the Current Population Survey and the unemployment insurance program.

2/ Data relate to the entire SMSA.

1/ Unemployment by occupation includes all experienced unemployed persons, whereas that by industry covers only unemployed wage and salary workers.

2/ Includes mining, not shown separately.

PERCENT PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES TO VETERANS

Mr. CONTE. The Wall Street Journal on January 6 cited Assistant Secretary Kolberg as advocating that 13 percent of the public service positions were to be given to veterans. I wonder if this is correct?

Secretary DUNLOP. He is here to speak for himself.

Mr. KOLBERG. Mr. Conte, that goes back a long way, January 6. I think what was going on at that stage, we were developing regulations to carry out the new title VI of CETA. In our initial draft of those regulations we had considered setting aside, I think it was 30 percent for veterans. We were reminded by the congressional committees who had met in conference on this very issue that that issue had been considered by the Conference Committee and it was very clear that we could not and should not do that. We therefore took it out of our regulations. Our regulations now do not require any given percentage of public service jobs for veterans. We have carried out the congressional

intent.

Mr. CONTE. Do you handle CETA?
Mr. KOLBERG. I do, sir.

ABUSES OF CETA PROGRAM

Mr. CONTE. We are having problems in Massachusetts. I don't know but maybe the whole country is having problems with CETA. I am a little disenchanted. I made some speeches on the floor about this and I have made the speeches here when we marked up CETA. My biggest problem with CETA is that when this thing is all over we are going to wind up with nothing. You are taking care of people with a temporary job but we have nothing to show for it. With the old CCC camps we have lasting effects in Massachusetts where the CCC came up and built camps, and recreation places. The WPA built some libraries, camps, sewerage treatment sites, et cetera. We still have them today. With CETA I am afraid we will wind up with nothing. In Massachusetts the Boston Globe did a study entitled, March 2, 1975, "Poverty workers say CETA plan is a washout and an abuse." There is even a case here where a politician took 25 or 30 CETA workers from one town and brought them up to his town on a bus and they passed out literature for him on election day. I know the Department of Labor has good regulations and I know you are against such practices. But in fact those practices are being perpetrated. What can we do about it? Secretary DUNLOP. I think I responded to similar questions this morning. Let me try again.

Mr. CONTE. I am sorry. I missed it this morning.

Secretary DUNLOP. No; I want to try again. I think it is important. As far as the law and regulations are concerned, we are tightening upon the regulations on nepotism, political influence in appointments, and that sort of thing. At the same time it is a very difficult problem to police. We have a limited number of people at our regional offices. They can do some checking but they can't look under every rock. We now have 10 official investigations going on across the country among the 437 prime sponsors of various charges of this kind-some nepotism, some political influence, some lack of maintenance of efforts

and some substitution of local funds with Federal funds. I agree that there are problems. Let me disagree that we don't have anything to show for it. Since most of the people aren't engaged in public works as you mentioned, I don't think we have anything to show for it in that regard. But I hope in some places we have improved public service to show for it.

I think we can furnish for the record a breakdown percentage wise of where these employees are working. They are working in the health departments, sanitation departments, public safety departments. They are carrying out regular services of the State and local governments. Under title VI I think all the slots are filled now, about 100,000 slots. I think you will see some recognizable outcome from those because they tend to be more of the public works type you can look at and see what has been accomplished over and above the regular public service.

[The information follows:]

MANPOWER ADMINISTRATION, PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYMENT, CETA TITLES II AND VI, PERCENT OF JOBS BY PUBLIC SERVICE FUNCTION (AS OF FEBRUARY 1975)

* Percent distribution based on a sample of 62,000 jobs provided by all 403 prime sponsors.

Mr. NATCHER. Mr. Secretary, I want to thank you for your statement, for your appearance before our committee at this time. Further, I want to wish you the best of everything in your new assignment. Secretary DUNLOP. Thank you, sir.

JOB CORPS PROGRAM

Mr. NATCHER. When the Manpower Administration section of your budget is presented before our committee I will talk with them a little, Mr. Secretary, about title IV. That is the section that pertains to the Job Corps. I believe the request for fiscal year 1976 is $175 million. The request for fiscal 1975 and the amount approved was $176.694,000. I believe this makes a difference of $1,694,000 for the fiscal year 1976. In addition to that amount, we have, of course, the $43,750,000 from the July 1 to September 30, 1976, period.

Mr. Secretary, I don't want to be parochial with you but on April 17, I directed a letter to you. I know that you have not had a chance to see it or to answer it, concerning the Great Onyx Job Corps Camp located in the second district of Kentucky. I don't expect you to make any commitments or statements concerning this matter. But I did want to point this out to you since you are before our committee.