Mr. SHRIVER. None that I know of. Senator JAVITS. How do you intend to handle your salaṬ the Peace Corps or poverty bill? Mr. SHRIVER. Under the new law as passed by Congres obligatory for me to accept pay as the Director of the Peace Since the passage of that bill, and it is signed by the President i I think, received one paycheck under that act, and I have to that, as I am sure you know. However, in the drafting of the poverty legislation, Office nomic Opportunity legislation, the terminology of the law is d The law states that the Director of the program can receive u specified amount of money, which the lawyers tell me also in nothing. So that in the Economic Opportunity Office, I wou receiving no pay which at least give the benefit to the taxpayer t they have a guy doing two jobs, he is only being paid for onethe second, they are getting their money's worth anyhow. Senator JAVITS. Was the provision of this law drafted in the a pation that you would have both jobs? Mr. SHRIVER. No, I think it merely followed the Peace Corps ! We had the same language in the Peace Corps Act. What in fact is give the President discretion to apply any salary salary. So it was not necessarily for me. There may have b other people who it would have been equally useful for. Senator JAVITS. I do not quite follow. You say it applies to: Peace Corps Act. You say under the Peace Corps Act, you Etake your salary. Mr. SHRIVER. Under the original Peace Corps Act. We used : same language in this bill under the Peace Corps Act as passed Congress. The pay bill, however, changes the operation of the P Corps Act by superseding it. This bill, however, is not supersed by the pay bill. Senator JAVITS. So that you can proceed in this fashion? Mr. SHRIVER. I can, provided I do not take any money. There is another bill that says, I think, if you get $2,500 in any one job, the you cannot have any other job for which there is a salary. Senator JAVITS. Is there any implication in your holding both jis that the poverty program is only a temporary program? Mr. SHRIVER. Well, I held the Peace Corps job under the same statutory provisions for three and a half years now. It depends on what you mean by "temporary," I suppose. Senator JAVITS. I was not speaking about the statutory provisions. I ask if there is any implication in the fact that you are taking two full-time jobs that the latter job, to wit, the poverty job, is just a temporary one? Mr. SHRIVER. I have not heard any such implication drawn by anybody. I see no reason why that implication is inevitable, no. Senator JAVITS. How much time are you giving yourself to decide whether, as an honest man, you can hold both jobs? Mr. SHRIVER. Well, as I say, I think that is a decision for the President to make. I feel that I can be honest in saying to you that I am going to give both jobs the maximum. Some people work 8 hours on a job and some people work longer. Usually I work longer. Senator JAVITS. I think I do, too. Mr. SHRIVER. I know you do. I know everybody here does, but I am talking about people who manage things rather than legislators. Senator JAVITS. Do you think we have to wait until one of the jobs bre to th m bi th ks down before deciding you cannot handle both, or are you going et us know if you decide? Ir. SHRIVER. As I say, there is somebody whose responsibility That is the President of the United States. His job is to age the executive branch, and if he sees either an individual aking down or a job breaking down, it is his responsibility to replace individual or modify the job and I have absolute confidence in him the Chief Executive to take such action as is needed. Senator JAVITS. You have such confidence that you will not even Lus? You are going to wait? Mr. SHRIVER. The thing about this President and the previous e, they do not have to wait for somebody to tell them. They em to find things out pretty rapidly themselves. Senator JAVITS. The workers in the executive branch of every resident attribute to them supernatural powers which they did not ave before they came President. Mr. SHRIVER. I have had the highest opinion of the ability of both resident Kennedy and President Johnson in this respect. Senator JAVITS. I do not believe that this President or his beloved nd revered predecessor or President Eisenhower, or any of our Presidents, suddenly develop supernatural powers. I respectfully ubmit, Mr. Shriver, that this part of the whole proceeding disturbs ne greatly. It has from the beginning. I believe that it is your duty and I state this unilaterally, even though you do not apparently agree with me, to inform the Senate which has confirmed you, as it undoubtedly will, and the President, as an honest public servant, if you find what seems to me very likely to be the case, that it is almost impossible to do justice to two enormous, full-time jobs like this, and with all respect for your great talents, and you have them. You have been very widely and much applauded and deservedly, in our country-I am the first to say that. I just think that to do justice to these two monumental efforts, really bring them to the point of development and expansion they deserve, is any man's full-time job for every conceivable waking hour, including Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays. With that, sir, I bid you farewell. Mr. SHRIVER. Thank you, sir. I might say the President does not have to find these things out unilaterally, by himself. After a person becomes President, they have something called the Bureau of the Budget which looks around to see what is going on, and they also have a very capable staff in the White House which observes things pretty well. So the President has information from persons in the executive branch and elsewhere which are not open to other individuals even though there are those like Presidents Kennedy and Johnson-before they become President. So there are ways for them to find out how things are going, without having to do it unilaterally. Senator JAVITS. It is my opinion that you have a responsibility to let us know how you feel about whether you can handle both jobs. That does not diminish my respect and friendship for you, which continues just as it did before, except that I really seriously question the advisability of this plan. Mr. SHRIVER. Let me say this, sir, if I may make this one comment, Mr. Chairman. Senator MCNAMARA. Go right ahead. Mr. SHRIVER. Obviously, when I am working for President Johnson, if I am confirmed to this job, I will be giving him my best judgment about how the work is going and whether I need more assistance or whether he ought to give somebody else the job. There is s Senator JAVITS. I think that is better. Senator MCNAMARA. Senator Randolph, do you have a tions or comments? Senator RANDOLPH. Senator Douglas, Mr. Shriver, my for what it is worth, in reference to the matter of his. directorships, the Peace Corps and the economic opp program, is that President Johnson will not ask you to P.. positions. That is my personal feeling. Since it has been a of comment and colloquy here today, I would like to have t indicate my feeling in this regard. I believe that you is capacity to hold two positions, perhaps even more than two ps but it is my opinion and my belief and my hope that it will necessary for the Chief Executive to divide and decrease your ship in the programs of the Peace Corps and economic oppor Now, Mr. Chairman, a biography can never adequately to me the depth and breadth of a man's ability to do a par job in the public service. But I would want the record to i insofar as this Senator is concerned I shall vote affirmatively s pending nomination when the committee goes into executive sen to consider Sargent Shriver for the position for which he ap I would want the record to indicate further that in my approxi 20 years of service in the House and in the Senate, I have know men in the Federal Government who had more conviction, courage, and more compassion than the man who sits before us to I am not attempting now to add up the pluses or subtract the minor in any way to divide a man's affirmative and negative quali I am just saying that on the overall opinion which I express to I am very happy in the privilege of supporting the pending nomina Senator MCNAMARA. Senator Metcalf, do you have any questi or comments? Senator METCALF. Mr. Chairman, I had not intended to make comments. I am delighted that my good friend, the Senator in New York, has brought out the fact that there is nothing that interfere with the service of Mr. Yarmolinsky. He is a dedica and devoted public servant, and I feel he has unique attributes carry out this antipoverty program. I hope that his talents will used in the program. I want to compliment you on your responses to Senator Jaris I feel that it is not your duty to tell us whether you can handle bet jobs; it is our duty to make up our minds, and it is the Preside duty to make up his mind. I feel that the superb organizational an administrative job that you have done in the Peace Corps indicate that you can do a similar job in our antipoverty program. Presidet! Johnson has a job that is far beyond any of the problems that any of us can envisage in either the Peace Corps, the antipoverty progra or any other department. Likewise Secretary McNamara and eretary Rusk. If they can do their jobs, I know with your background and your record of superb performance, you can do both jobs and will do them well. S vote for your nomination. or MCNAMARA. Thank you, Senator. There was some queso why I skipped Senator Prouty. I think I should point out record that the Senator whom I called on has to leave very He must preside at the convening of the Senate at 12 o'clock. hat_reason, we apparently skipped Senator Prouty. or RANDOLPH. Mr. Chairman, will he be called upon to open ate with prayer also, today? He has doubled in the Senate. held two jobs, in effect. tor METCALF. Yes; I had to hold two jobs at one time. tor MCNAMARA. Senator Prouty? tor PROUTY. Mr. Chairman, as a member of the minority, I customed to being passed over on occasion. I certainly underthe situation here and am very glad to have you recognize Senaetcalf. . Shriver, your past achievements leave no doubt in my mind rning your ability to administer the Economic Opportunity Act ery effective manner, and I intend to vote for your confirmation. ou know, I did have some reservations concerning certain facets e program, although I did vote for it on final passage. Some of reservations were taken care of through amendments in the Senand the House. I certainly hope as strongly as anyone could that this program will succeed and do what it is intended to. owever, I do share Senator Javits' reservations as to one man's ty, regardless of his competence to administer both of these two lly important programs. I hope that you will give serious conration to your ability to do that and will make your position known he President. We want both of these programs, and I am sure you But it seems to me an almost Herculean task to ask of any one n, regardless of his ability, that he assume responsibility for both grams. I should also like to get back to Mr. Yarmolinsky, to whom Senator vits and Senator Metcalf referred earlier. There is a rumor, and I ink well founded, to the effect that assurance was given by some hers, and I am not suggesting that you are the one who gave such surance, that Mr. Yarmolinsky would not be appointed to serve in y capacity insofar as the antipoverty program is concerned. I am ot asking you to comment on it, but I will express the opinion that I ould be very much surprised if he is chosen to serve in this capacity. One other question. Was any mention made as to the HEW ppropriation bill which would in any way affect the antipoverty rogram? Mr. SHRIVER. You mean the appropriations bill which recently passed? Senator PROUTY. With respect to duplication of effort. Mr. SHRIVER. The Senate included language in that appropriations bill, as you well know, to the effect that no money authorized under that appropriations bill could be used to implement programs under the Economic Opportunity Act. So to the extent that that language makes it clear that money appropriated there should not be spent to carry out provisions of the Economic Opportunity Act, one could say that restricts the Economic Opportunity Act. But that is not my judgment about it. As I understand the Senate's intention, it was simply that when the Senate or the House appropriates money for specific programs, they want it spent on those programs and not taken from those and:. other programs for which they have not either appropriated appropriated less money. We had no intention of doing that s Senator PROUTY. I just wanted your expression on that. That is all I have, Mr. Chairman. Senator MCNAMARA. Thank you, Senator. Mr. Shriver, would you identify your colleague for the recor Mr. SHRIVER. Yes; this is Mr. Stephen Pollak of the S. General's Office, who has been helping me as a legal adviser. Senator MCNAMARA. We will ask the recorder to make sure copy of the biography of Sargent Shriver is included in the (Mr. Shriver's biography is as follows:) BIOGRAPHY OF ROBERT SARGENT SHRIVER Birth: November 9, 1915, Westminster, Md. Education: Parochial schools, Westminster and Baltimore, Md.; Cate School, 1930-34, New Milford, Conn.; Yale College, B.A. degree, cum . 1938; Yale University School of Law, LL. B., 1941. Member of Illinois and New York bars. Present position: Director, Peace Corps, since 1961; special assistan: * President since February 1, 1964. Past positions: Assistant general manager, the Merchandise Mart, associated with Joseph P. Kennedy Enterprises, 1948-61; assistant Newsweek magazine, 1945-46; war service, 1941-45; admitted to bar of of New York, December 1941; law firm, Winthrop, Stimson, Putnam & E New York City, 1940-41; admitted to bar of State of Illinois, April 1959; exeta director of the Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., Foundation. Military service: U.S. Navy, 1941-45, continuous oversea duty, Atharty Pacific Ocean areas aboard battleships and submarines, October 1941-D1945. Inactive duty as lieutenant commander, U.S. Naval Reserve. Educational associations: President, Chicago Board of Education, ( 1955-June 1960; member, Illinois School Problems Commissions, 15 member, Committee on Government and Higher Education, Ford Four 1957-59; president's council, St. Xavier College for Women; citizens' University of Chicago; citizens' board, Loyola University; citizens' comm University of Illinois; advisory council, College of Business Administr Notre Dame University; board of lay trustees, DePaul University: chairman, Yale Alumni Board, June 1958-60; executive committee, Yah School Association; trustee, Yale University Art Gallery Association; fel St. Joseph's College, Rensselaer, Ind. Organizations: President, Catholic Interracial Council of Chicago, 1955. director, Catholic Charities of Chicago; director, Chicago Council on Fe Relations; director, Chicago Maternity Center, to December 1961; member, I large, National Council, Boy Scouts of America; member, Eleanor Roos Memorial Foundation; and life member, Navy League. Honorary degrees: Doctor of laws: Yale University, Boston College, Brand University, DePaul University, Duquesne University, Fordham Unive Georgetown University, Kansas State University, New York University, Nit Dame University, Seton Hall University, St. Louis University, St. Michs. College, St. Procopius College, Wesleyan University. Doctor of civil University of Liberia, Monrovia, Liberia. Doctor of humanics: Salem CCL2 Salem, W. Va. Doctor of humane lettters: Springfield College, Spring Mass. Doctor of political science: Chulalongkorn University, Bangkok, Tha land. Married Eunice Mary Kennedy, May 23, 1953; four children. Home: 140 East Walton Place, Chicago, Ill. "Timberlawn," Rockville, M. Office: 806 Connecticut Avenue NW., Washington, D.C. Senator MCNAMARA. Does anybody else have any testimony remarks regarding the appointment? (No response.) Senator MCNAMARA. If not, the hearing is closed. (Whereupon, at 11:45 a.m., the committee proceeded to go int executive session.) |