REIMBURSEMENTS FROM OTHER AGENCIES

Mr. STEFAN. What is the largest amount you have had in reimbursement funds from agencies in any 1 year, over the past 5 years. Mr. WEIFENBACH. From all agencies?

Mr. STEFAN. Yes.

Mr. WEIFENBACH. I believe this year is estimated to be the largest, approximating something over $10,000,000.

Mr. STEFAN. For 1949 you have a figure of $10,211,580 estimated, and the table indicates that you have received up until Janauray 15, 1949, $6,443,547. The figure I gave before as estimated for 1949 is more than the agencies estimated they would transfer to you for 1949, the 1949 agency estimate being $8,854,215. You now estimate that you will get over $10,000,000 in 1949?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. That is right. This estimate for 1949 was established from the agencies' estimate which we got some months ago, and those figures have been increased.

Mr. STEFAN. What I was trying to find out is how much of this work we are doing for other agencies is not being reimbursed for now, that heretofore had been reimbursed. Do you understand what I mean?

Dr. CRITTENDEN. These jobs are all specifically requested by the Army, the Air Force, and so forth.

Mr. STEFAN. I know, they have to be requested, but the Bureau of Standards is being required to do a lot of work for other agencies for which they used to reimburse you but they are not reimbursing you now and therefore are not reflected in this budget.

Mr. WEIFENBACH. The agencies do reimburse us. We get this money as working funds.

Mr. STEFAN. Are there any items of a similar nature for which they do not reimburse you?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. Very little. We do some testing work.

Dr. CRITTENDEN. During the war the work we did on radio was largely paid for by the Army and by the Navy.

Mr. STEFAN. Why could we not get some reimbursement from those agencies on that radio work?

Dr. CRITTENDEN. The point on that is that they came before the committee and said that the Army and the Navy were going to discontinue their research and shift it over to us and we got the appropriation. They cut it out of their appropriation and put it in ours. Mr. STEFAN. But they are upstairs before the other committee asking for research money, are they not?

Dr. CRITTENDEN. But their research, we are told, is a matter of making application of the results of the work that our people do.

REVENUE FROM TESTING MATERIALS FOR MUNICIPALITIES

Mr. STEFAN. You receive some money for testing materials for certain municipalities, do you not? What was the total in this last year that you received for testing work?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. We receive a samll amount from the District of Columbia.

Mr. STEFAN. I do not have that item in mind. Municipalities send materials here for you to test free of charge, do they not? Or you charge them your cost?

Dr. CRITTENDEN. In general, we do very little for municipalities. The cities pay for those tests the same as private agencies do. We make tests without charge only for States and Federal agencies.

Mr. STEFAN. Can you give me the total of those fees? You gave me such a figure last year.

Mr. WEIFENBACH. It approximates $200,000. The work done for the public in the fiscal year 1948 amounted to $192,555. This testing is financed under the appropriations "Research and testing," and "Radio propagation and standards."

Mr. STEFAN. Does that money revert to the Treasury?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. Yes, sir.

Mr. STEFAN. How much did you get for highway testing last year?
Mr. WEIFENBACH. You mean for the District of Columbia?

Mr. STEFAN. Yes, how much from the District of Columbia?
Mr. WEIFENBACH. $24,111.

Mr. STEFAN. Did you get any money from others for highway testing?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. No, sir.

Mr. STEFAN. And that goes into the Treasury, does it?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. Yes, sir.

Mr. STEFAN. And you have had no other receipts in the Bureau of Standards except those to which you have referred?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. No, sir. There is the sale of publications but, of course, that money is received by the Superintendent of Documents.

REVENUE FROM PUBLICATIONS

Mr. ROONEY. Will you inquire as to what revenue there has been from publications, Mr. Stefan? I failed to do that.

Mr. STEFAN. You gave us a table on that last year, I believe. You can obtain that figure from the Government Printing Office.

Mr. WEIFENBACH. It is approximately $56,000; $56,960.

Dr. CONDON. What period does that cover?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. The fiscal year 1948.

Mr. STEFAN. I have no other questions.

Mr. ROONEY. The next item is "Research and testing," which appears at page 117 of the committee print and begins at page 374 of the justifications.

COMPARATIVE SUMMARY OF POSITIONS AND OBLIGATIONS, 1948-50

We shall insert in the record at this point the summary of estimated obligations at page 375.

Gross requirements. 1,043 917. 54, 755, 270 1,075 911.93 4, 655, 000 1,087 923.94, 792, 000

678, 241

695, 589

1 Based on pay-roll records and approved commitments.

The total annual salaries of the 963 full-time positions for 1949 and 975 for 1950 are $3,875,664 and $3,998,371, respectively.

3 The schedules which follow for activities under this appropriation are on a gross basis and include reim. bursements.

INCREASE IN POSITIONS

According to the summary of requirements there is an increase of $62,000 over the 1950 base. This entails an increase in 12 positions, does it not?

Dr. CONDON. Yes, sir.

Mr. ROONEY. Where are the 12 positions?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. Five positions in connection with the betatron work in our division 4. Then we expect an increase of 14 positions for reimbursable work which is done by our cement-testing field stations in division 9. Then there is a reduction of seven positions in regular activities of other divisions. Page 377 contains an analysis of the increase.

INCREASE IN REIMBURSEMENTS

Mr. ROONEY. On page 374 there is indicated an increase of $45,000 in reimbursements; whence does this money come?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. That is reimbursement for cement testing that I just mentioned.

Mr. ROONEY. From whom?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. From other Government agencies, I think principally Public Roads. It is reflected in the increse for the Mineral Products Division. I believe the Bureau of Reclamation is also a large contributor.

Dr. CONDON. That is the Bureau of Reclamation and Public Roads Administration, who are the two large users of portland cement. We operate the cement testing for them on a reimbursable basis. It is always a bit difficult to estimate these things; we do the best we can. It reflects our uncertain knowledge of how extensive the public works program is going to be. But we try to make reasonable provision for it and if the work is not called for then we do not put on the people. It is a fluctuating load where we try to do it as economically as we can. Mr. ROONEY. With regard to the amount, $347,000, reimbursement for services performed, shown at page 374, will you furnish a breakdown of that?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. I have it by our operating divisions but not by sources. It represents reimbursements from a great variety of sources. It is for work which is done for other Government agencies on a reimbursable basis rather than for work done for which they advance the money to us in a working fund.

Mr. ROONEY. This paper which you have handed me does not answer my inquiry; it does not cover what I had in mind. If you will take this and indicate the agencies from whom this money is received, and then insert such a statement, we should appreciate it. Mr. WEIFENBACH. I shall certainly do that.

Mr. ROONEY. That is for the fiscal years 1949 and 1950.

Estimated reimbursements for work done by the National Bureau of Standards for other Government agencies, fiscal years 1949-50

Mr. ROONEY. Will you please direct your attention to the chart at page 380. Does this represent the moneys received by the Bureau from outside sources?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. For testing only; yes, sir. This represents the money—that is, the public part of it-which goes into the Treasury aș miscellaneous receipts.

Mr. ROONEY. And that amounts to how much?

Mr. WEIFENBACH. It amounts to $187,503 for work done under the appropriation, "Research and testing." There is also a small amount ($5,053) under the appropriation, "Radio propagation and standards."

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