General WETZEL. Well, at the time this was printed we wanted that. As we will discover later, that is one of the jobs we decided to scratch.

Mr. BLANDFORD. I see.

General WETZEL. And let General Myers do them both.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Now the next two categories: United States European Command and SHAPE are by direction of the JCS; is that correct?

General WETZEL. What is correct.

Mr. BLANDFORD. You people have little choice in that, except to supply generals by direction?

General WETZEL. That is correct.

Of course, we are interested in filling those positions that the unified commander will let us fill. Mr. BLANDFORD. Yes.

General WETZEL. Because we want some voice in the joint operation.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Now we can assume when we go into the European Command with the Army eventually, and SHAPË, that none of those billets will have a counterpart in any of the other services?

General WETZEL. No.

Mr. BLANDFORD. In other words, these men are serving for all three services?

General WETZEL. For all three services.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Allied Air Forces in Central Europe.
General WETZEL. That is a NATO command.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Is that by direction?

General WETZEL. Reporting to General Gruenther now, and the commanding general of that, General Norstad, commands and operates both the American Air Forces over there and the NATO Air Forces that are in Central Europe.

Mr. BLANDFORD. What do they refer to as Central Europe there? General WETZEL. Central Europe is France, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands. There are some British units involved. I believe that is it. Allied Air Forces, Southern Europe, include Italy, Greece, and Turkey. Allied Air Forces, Northern Europe, include Norway and Denmark.

Mr. BLANDFORD. All four of these Allied Air Forces, plus the Allied Forces, Southern Europe, are all NATO Command?

General WETZEL. All NATO Command. The Allied Forces, Southern Europe was Admiral Carney's command, a joint NATO command, and now Admiral Fechteler's command.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Yes.

General WETZEL. And the one general officer position that we have on that staff is the J-2.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Apparently they don't have they haven't refined the unified command in Europe to the extent that it has been refined in Alaska and the Northeast Command. In other words, here we find Allied Forces, Southern Europe, and also Allied Air Forces, Southern Europe.

General WETZEL. The Allied Air Forces, Southern Europe, is the air arm of Allied Forces, Southern Europe. In other words, General Schlatter is the air commander for Admiral Fechteler now.

Mr. BLANDFORD. We also found that in the Navy, that there were Allied Naval Forces, Central Europe and Allied Naval Forces, South

ern Europe. At this point, can the Army tell us is there an Allied Ground Forces, or the equivalent, in southern Europe? In other words, you have three separate commands and then a unified NATO command?

Colonel EPLEY. I don't know, sir.

General WETZEL. I am sure there is an Army commander.

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. Yes, sir.

General WETZEL. It was General Giffin, but he has moved now and someone replaced him.

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. General Wyman.
General WETZEL. General Wyman?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. Yes, sir; Allied Land Forces, Southeastern Europe, Lieutenant General Wyman.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Mutual defense assistance program.

General WETZEL. That we have discussed before. There is in each of the countries involved a Chief MAAG who is the chief military man who runs the MAAG, and you will find an air section, an army section and a navy section in each of those.

In the case of Brazil, it is really not a MAAG. It is the Joint Brazilian-United States Military Commission. We provide the Chief of the Air Force Section there.

Spain similarly is not actually a MAAG yet, although I am sure it will be. General Kissner heads the mission over there to work with the Spanish, and see if we can come to an agreement on air bases that we would like to have there.

MAAG Denmark is one of the MAAG's for which the Air Force provides the Chief. Also the United Kingdom.

In Turkey, the Army runs the MAAG and we provide the Chief of the Air Section in the grade of brigadier general. Army also runs the MAAG in Greece.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Isn't that, relatively speaking, a lot of rank for the Air Force Section in Brazil? We could understand the Chief of MAAG being a major general, but it is a little difficult to understand a chief of a section being a major general.

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. May I explain that?
General WETZEL. Yes.

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. This is not a MAAG as such in Brazil under the Mutual Security Act, under which all these other MAAG's are established. The Joint Brazil-United States Military Commission was established in a bilateral agreement between our Government and Brazil back in 1942. It has been continued for reasons of hemispheric defense. The Army provides the head man of the Joint Brazil-United States Military Commission and the Air Force provides a major general as part of the requirement established between our military

Mr. BLANDFORD. Is the agreement to provide a major general or is it just the agreement to provide an officer?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. I am not sure, sir, but we have also had a major general down there since it was established.

Mr. BLANDFORD. I presume the Army always has a major general or possibly a lieutenant general?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. They have had a major general. Mr. BLANDFORD. The Navy has a rear admiral?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. I am not sure, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. I am sure the Navy had a rear admiral, of the upper half, I think.

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. But it is a separate agreement and a separate operation from the Mutual Security Act requirements, although they will extend to Brazil later on as a title IV country, I believe, under the act, at which time the United States Section, Air Force Section, will handle the MAAG business.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Well, as part of MAAG, would you then feel justified in downgrading that billet to a brigadier general's billet?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. No, sir; it will be an additional duty at that point, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. In addition to the joint agreement?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. Yes, sir. That will be absorbed

then.

Mr. BLANDFORD. What will the joint committee do then that MAAG won't do?

Lieutenant Colonel HALLENBECK. I don't know, sir.

General WETZEL. I can't answer that, either.

Mr. BLANDFORD. North Atlantic Treaty Organization is, I suppose, a NATO arrangement and just by direction you supply an officer for it?

General WETZEL. That is correct.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Is that a rotating job, the Chief of Staff of the standing group?

General WETZEL. That is a rotating job.

Mr. BLANDFORD. General, and this will be for the attention of all of the services: I think some time ago we asked for all of the general officers, and colonels, who were assigned to all of the so-called extracurricular activities, such as NATO and the mutual assistance agreements, and the attachés, and things of that nature. We would like to repeat that and request that each of the services supply us with the number of general officers and their assignment, the number of colonels who are involved in so-called extracurricular activity, in other words, things over which you have no control, but you are serving by direction of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or a treaty agreement, or anything that is not within your own shop and over which you do not exercise complete control and responsibility.

General WETZEL. That will be furnished.

Mr. BLANDFORD. You have that, Commander Wheeler?

Captain WHEELER. I do not have that with me.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Colonel, will you get that?

Colonel EPLEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. The Marine Corps has two generals, do they not, Major Westmoreland?

Major WESTMORELAND. I don't know, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. I think you have two general officers on duty. Mr. MILLER. Mr. Chairman.

Mr. ARENDS. Just a minute, Mr. Miller.

We can have that compilation, Russ, that will help us a lot on these extraordinary duties at this time, it will be helpful.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Yes, sir.

(The following information was later received for the record.)

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE,
OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY,
Washington, October 8, 1953.

Hon. LESLIE C. ARENDS,

Chairman, Subcommittee No. 2,

House Armed Services Committee,

House of Representatives.

DEAR MR. ARENDS: At the conclusion of the hearings on August 3, 1953, on the justifidation of generals' and colonels' positions within the Department of the Army, Mr. John R. Blandford, committee counsel, asked that each of the armed services furnish him with a chart showing the total number of generals, colonels, and lieutenant colonels (or their respective naval counterparts):

(a) Serving directly with that service.

(b) Performing interservice functions.

(c) Performing duties outside the respective service such as NATO, MAAG's, etc.

The attached chart is furnished in response to his request.

Sincerely yours,

JOE W. KELLY,
Brigadier General, USAF,
Director, Legislative Liaison.

Department of the Air Force

Subject: Answers to questions posed by Subcommittee No. 2 of House Armed Services Committee during current hearings.

1. The approximate cost to the Navy for personnel assigned to duties which do not contribute directly to accomplishment of the Navy's mission is as follows: Officers. Enlisted....

Total____

$14, 664, 000

9, 252, 000 23, 916, 000

(a) The approximate cost for officer personnel as stated above was derived from the billets as listed in enclosure (1).

(b) The approximate cost for enlisted personnel as stated above was derived from the billets as listed in enclosure (2).

2. The average age of Naval Reserve captains on active duty is 521⁄2 years.

R. V. WHEELER, Jr., Commander, United States Navy.