House. Its committee reported that out unanimously. You haven't given it any significance or importance.

Mr. POLLOCK. Well, Mr. Chairman, you are touching a tender subject for me, because while I

Senator HOLLINGS. You remember that House. You agree with the House version more than you do with this, don't you?

Mr. POLLOCK. I understand what you are saying. I think that the problem the Office of Management and Budget has, and I think it is appropriate to say this, is that they have to determine how to balance whatever dollars are going to be available in the total governmental system.

We are parochial and there are things we want. We feel we don't have all the answers and we don't have the money to get all the answers, but we recognize also that we are not going to get an optimum amount. Other dollars are needed for other parts of the Government.

Senator STEVENS. Why don't you put in the record a list of the requests for commercial fisheries and the National Marine Fisheries Service for the last 10 years and the appropriation.

It is my memory the Congress hasn't given the administration what they asked for.

Mr. POLLOCK. You are asking we put in the

Mr. STEVENS. Budget requests for this area for marine mammals for the last 10 years and how much Congress gave you.

Mr. POLLOCK. We will have to get part of that from the Department of Interior, but we can provide it.

(The following information was subsequently received for the record :)

COMPARATIVE STATEMENT OF TOTAL BUREAU (BUREAU OF COMMERCIAL FISHERIES AND NATIONAL MARINE FISHERIES SERVICE) APPROPRIATION REQUESTS AND APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEARS 1963 THROUGH 1972 [Excludes supplemental appropriations-In thousands of dollars]

Funds for research on fur seals, whales, and porpoises are included in the above amounts but have not been separately identified in the appropriation requests with the exception of fur seal research for FY 1963 and 1964. Fur seal research has been increased from a program level of $231,000 in FY 1963 to $300,000 in FY 1972. Whale and porpoise research has increased from about $65,000 for whales only to approximately $100,000 in FY 1972 divided about equally between whale research and porpoise research.

Senator HOLLINGS. Do you have anything you wish to add, Mr. Secretary or your colleagues?

Mr. POLLOCK. Well, it is perhaps a little self-serving, but I think I would like to close, Mr. Chairman, by saying that while we are a new organization made up of several groups from other agencies and departments, I really feel that in NOAA we have a great array of competence. We have some of the most dedicated professionals and the most dedicated fisheries and mammal biologists and scientists and, I might add, ecologists, environmentalists, and administrators that we have ever had.

We are proud of the organization.

While we don't have all the answers, for instance, on the fur seal, I think this one animal we probably know more about than any other animal anywhere. We admittedly don't have all the answers, but we are working toward that together. We really believe that we have to embark upon and finance a comprehensive study of the total system and we do it through these programs that we have in research. Senator HOLLINGS. We thank you very much. We appreciate all three of you appearing here this afternoon and giving your testimony.

Mr. POLLOCK. Incidentally, Mr. Chairman, the gentleman on my right, who came through this unscathed, is Jim Brennan with our general counsel's office in NOAA, a very excellent attorney. Senator HOLLINGS. Thank you very much.

(The statement referred to earlier follows:)

August 4, 1971

The Honorable Maurice H. Stans
Secretary, Department of Commerce
Washington, D.C. 20230

Dear Mr. Secretary:

The members of the special panel of veterinary medical consultants named below, invited by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration to evaluate the humaneness of fur seal harvesting operations on the Pribilof Islands and make recommendations for the future, wish to inform you that they have observed the harvest during the period 6-14 July, and herewith submit their preliminary report.

A final report, including histopathological assessment of brain damage inflicted by a single blow of the stunning instrument, will be submitted as soon as practicable.

We wish also to express our appreciation for this opportunity to be of public service.

* Member, A.V.M.A. Council on Research's Panel on Euthanasia

Preliminary Report of the Veterinary Panel Evaluating
Humaneness of the Northern Fur Seal Harvest in the
Pribilof Islands, 1971.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION

Reports on Investigations of Pribilof Sealing Operations and
Experiments with Alternate Methods of Slaughter

1. Report on Sealing in the Pribilof Islands, 1967, by Elizabeth Simpson, M.A., VET. M.B., M.R.C.V.S. World Federation for the Protection of Animals, Zurich, Switzerland.

2. Alaska Veterinarian Observes Seal Harvest on St. Paul Island. 1968. J.A.V.M.A., Vol. 152, No. 8:1187-1189.

3.

Report of the Task Force to Study Alternate Methods of
Harvesting Fur Seals, 1968.

4. Preliminary Report on Contract No. 14-17-0001-2234. 1971. Virginia Mason Research Center, Seattle, Wash.

5. Responses of the following research institutes to an invitation by N.M.F.S. to research alternate methods of killing fur seals; Stanford Research Institute, The Rand Corporation, Living Marine Resources, Inc., Northrop, and Battelle Columbus

1. Pathology of the Northern Fur Seal (Callorhinus ursinus). 1965. Mark C. Keyes, D.V.M., Vol. 147, No. 10:1090-1095.

2.

Pineal Gland of the Northern Fur Seal (Callorhinus ursinus): A Model for Studying the Function of the Mammalian Pineal. C. Arthur Elden, M.D., Mark C. Keyes, D.V.M., and Charles E. Marshall, M.D. 1971. Amer. J. Vet. Res., Vol. 32, No. 4: 639-647.

3. History of Scientific Study of the Alaskan Fur Seal, 1786-1964. Victor B. Scheffer, Biologist, and Ethel I. Todd, Editorial Assistant, Marine Mammal Biological Laboratory, Seattle, Wash. 1967.