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Whereas the personnel of this survey is composed almost entirely of Maryland engineers, and it provides gainful employment at a time of stress for many of this profession who would otherwise be uncared for; and

Whereas experience has shown that the funds allotted to this project are spent on the basis of 95 percent for wages and but 5 percent for materials: Therefore be it

Resolved, That this conference urge that steps be taken to permit this survey to continue to its final completion, so that the United States and the State of Maryland may reap the benefits of this work; and further that the executive C committee of this conference be hereby authorized and instructed to place before the proper persons in this State and elsewhere, the contents of this resolution, and to notify them of the action of his conference. I hereby certify that the above is a correct copy.

S. S. STEINBERG, Secretary Executive Committee of Conference.

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NATION-WIDE MAPPING PROGRAM

WASHINGTON, D.C.-A Nation-wide program of surveying and mapping furnish basic data for " new deal" purposes and to provide employment for thousands of engineers is proposed by American Engineering Council on behalf of engineering organizations throughout the country. The plan is offered as an amendment to the deficiency bill (H.R. 9830) which passed the House Monday, June 4, 1934. The proposed amendment follows:

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On page 63, line 19, after $500,000,000 ", strike out the period, substitute a colon, and add the following:

"Provided further, That for work authorized by 'An act to provide for the completion of the topographical survey of the United States', approved Feb ruary 27, 1925, the sum of $21,750,000 is hereby allocated from funds made available under this paragraph, such sum to be additional to the total fixed in the preceding proviso, to be available until expended, and to be administered by a three-member board known as the Federal Emergency Survey' to be appointed by the President and to be under the Federal Emergency Administration of Public Works."

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This is essentially the same proposal set forth in the House bill (H.R. 9823) introduced by Representative Cole of Maryland on June 1, 1934, and referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

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FEDERAL EMERGENCY ADMINISTRATOR OF PUBLIC WORKS,
Washington, June 7, 1934.

Mr. FREDERICK M. FEIKER,

Executive Secretary American Engineering Council,

Washington, D.C.

MY DEAR MR. FEIKER: I have your letter of May 25 with further reference to the proposed surveying and mapping program.

In the absence of definite information as to what the specific action of the Congress will be in the matter of further public works appropriations, I cannot, of course, from the standpoint of this administration, tell you anything of a definite nature.

However, I have received from many sections of the country favorable comments on work, similar to that which you are advocating, that has been done under the auspices of the Civil and Public Works Administrations and should further funds become available to the Public Works Administration for such uses through congressional action, you may be assured that this work will receive careful consideration.

Sincerely yours,

HAROLD L. ICKES, Administrator.

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ARMORIES FOR R.O.T.C. UNITS

STATEMENT OF COL. FRED B. RYONS

Senator ADAMS. Will you give your full name to the reporter, for the record?

Colonel RYONS. My name is Col. Fred B. Ryons.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, we will finish our hearing within 10 minutes as we know how hard you are trying to expedite your work.

Permit me, at this point, to introduce Dr. Raymond B. Pearson, president of the University of Maryland, and chairman of the executive committee of the Association of Land Grant Colleges and Universities.

Dr. Walter Hullihen, president of the University of Delaware, and chairman of the committee on military organization and policy of the Association of Land Grant Colleges and Universities, was here, but due to other engagements he was forced to leave and we regret that he is not able to appear before the committee with us.

These gentlemen testified before the House committee when it was considering this bill, and their statements are in the record of the hearing before the Subcommittee of the Appropriation Committee of the House, pages 410 and 411. Dr. Pearson will be glad to help your committee today by answering any questions you may wish to ask at the close of my statement.

At this time I would like to submit the briefs of the presidents of seven universities setting out the condition at their institutions. These supplement 44 similar statements appearing in the House hearings, and complete our justification; also a statement of the estimated expenditure at each institution, the wording we are asking you to place in the bill, a short statement by Marshal Foch, and an analysis of military training at educational institutions, especially advance training at universities and colleges.

The Constitution charges Congress to provide for the defense of the Nation. You have elected to provide this defense through a trained citizenry rather than by a large professional army. The Morrill Act, creating the land-grant colleges, and the National Defense Act contemplate the systematic inclusion of the military training given at the universities and colleges as a very important part of our defense structure.

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The universities and colleges are pleased to cooperate and assist the Federal Government. They are proud of their records, as individual institutions and collectively. In the Spanish-American War the cadet officers and cadets volunteered almost en masse. the World War 50,000 officers and more than 100,000 noncommissioned officers came from the R.O.T.C. of our universities and colleges. Today 97 percent of the officers in charge of the men in our C.C.C. camps are reserve officers, graduates of the R.O.T.C. of our schools.

These are no mean records. The universities and colleges have done and will do their full duty in assisting the Federal Government to provide a defense for our country, but they are now respectfully directing your attention to a condition which they believe needs correction. I refer to adequate R.O.T.C. buildings.

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Then, there is another thought that I would impress upon the committee, and that is that the United States, the Federal Governmen, is really getting a very good bargain from the colleges of this country, when the colleges offer to furnish the land and to maintain these buildings at all times, pay all of the expenses incurred for the maintenance of them, and the only expense that is incurred by the Federal Government is simply an item of the first cost, and that first cost could well be charged to an emergency-employment fund. Senator DICKINSON. Do you not realize that you are straddling upon every State, for every building that you build, a carrying charge for it, just the same as you are imposing upon a city the necessity of maintaining a city hall, although you give them some money to help build the city hall?

Colonel RYONS. The States have all taken the action that was necessary to get this authority, so that the presidents of the uni versities could, over their own signature, agree to furnish the land and to maintain these buildings.

Senator DICKINSON. Have you any such authority from the State University of Iowa or the State college?

Colonel RYONS. Yes, sir.

Senator DICKINSON. Do they need an additional armory?

Colonel RYONS. Not so badly as the other States. The University of Iowa received an armory, largely from the Federal Government, during the World War. That was a gift by the Federal Govern

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Wisconsin at that time received an armory. Those are the only two universities that have ever been assisted in the erection of an armory by the Federal Government.

Senator HAYDEN. I might say that the junior Senator from Louisiana, Mr. Overton, presented a telegram when Secretary Ickes was before this committee a few days ago, a telegram from the University of Louisiana that dealt with this particular problem proposed here, making certain funds in this bill available for this purpose, and the Secretary of the Interior, and Public Works Administrator advised very strongly against doing so.

When his testimony appears in the printed hearings you will find that the matter was presented to him. He not only objected to ear-marking in this case, but in other cases, and he said he felt that the Public Works Administration should have certain latitude and freedom in choosing the projects that would bring the greatest returns on the investment; but in this particular instance, if I remember correctly, and I think the members of the committee will verify what I say, the Secretary felt that if we established a precedent and began the construction of buildings of any kind at State schools and universities that it would ultimately cost the Government much more than the $25,000,000 you have suggested here.

Senator HALE. He did, however, Senator, say that under existing conditions that the Government had the right to make a grant of a third of the cost of the buildings if the land grant colleges would make up the balance; also had the right to loan them the full amount if he saw fit.

Senator DICKINSON. If they had some method of liquidating.
Senate HALE. Yes.

Senator DICKINSON. Had some method of liquidation.

Senator HAYDEN. He further said that if the colleges could liquidate, if they could present satisfactory showing that they were able to repay, where they were owned privately, that they could

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Colonel RYONS. We hold that the question of providing for the for common defense is a matter entirely of the Federal Government ar If the Federal Government should change its plan and abandon the development of a citizen army, the expense incurred in doubling the size of the Regular Army will be very much more than the amount of money necessary to maintain the army under the present

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Senator BYRNES. Do you agree with the proposals that have been made as to the building of armories for the National Guard units! The men who join the National Guard companies give up their time. Should we build an armory there, too?

Colonel RYONS. I am delighted to note the help the Government is giving to the National Guard, and as the guard becomes a Federal force this help should be enlarged. The amount in that item is $33,000,000 a year. Of course you apsomething like $30,000,000 or $33,000,000

preciate at present the National Guard is a State institution, while cause the War Department, under the National Defense Act, asked the colleges if they would assist in the giving of this training, and the colleges, as a patriotic service and duty, said that they would; they are doing it and are very proud of the record they have made Senator DICKINSON. You do not favor or are not asking for the construction of an armory for the National Guard units? Colenel RroNS. That is another matter, entirely.

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Colonel BroNs. I would say no, in both cases; but if you were to ask me for my opinion with regard to the development of a Federal

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