Mr. DREANY. That is correct, because we would probably not want to make the judgment unilaterally as to whether an institution was in fact a tax-free or a legitimate educational institution.

Senator GRUENING. I wonder whether there might not be a conflict in some of these situations. I can conceive of a situation where in foreign countries there would be various institutions, educational institutions with different sectarian affiliations, and the government of that country might have a strong leaning to one group as against the other, and it seems to me that might involve us in a certain amount of conflict.

Mr. DREANY. I am afraid you are right, I can see that these things could become very complicated.

Senator GRUENING. I would think that the Government of the United States would retain a certain amount of control over our own surplus, and if you are going to give it away, to have some voice in determining to whom it shall be given. Maybe that is an oldfashioned idea. But I think it should be considered.

Mr. DREANY. I don't believe that we really meant to relinquish the control. As a matter of fact, we suggested here that the criteria-in this letter, that the criteria-and so forth, should be established by a central agency acting in conjunction with the Department of State and with the Department of Defense. And included in that would be such measure of control as was necessary.

Senator GRUENING. Have you any figures in ICA as to what amounts of excess property you get in different countries?

Mr. DREANY. Yes, sir; we have those figures. I don't have them with me.

Senator GRUENING. I wonder whether you could not supply them for the record.

Now, we are engaged in rendering various kinds of assistance through ICA and development loans and by various other agencies to about 104 foreign countries. And that is a problem that comes up every year.

In addition to that, you have access to excess property which does not figure in the foreign aid estimates presented to the Congress and it would be very useful to know how much of that there is. If we could have the figures for the amount of excess property that has been disposed of country by country, and year by year, it would be very helpful.

Mr. DREANY. I did furnish the figures last year to the subcommittee. But I can have them updated.

Senator GRUENING. Will you bring them up to date?

Mr. DREANY. Certainly, sir.

Senator GRUENING. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. (The material referred to follows:)