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✓GENERAL OVERSIGHT

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HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON COURTS, CIVIL LIBERTIES,
AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-FIFTH CONGRESS

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Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1979

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JACK BROOKS, Texas
ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin

DON EDWARDS, California
JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan
JOSHUA EILBERG, Pennsylvania
WALTER FLOWERS, Alabama
JAMES R. MANN, South Carolina
JOHN F. SEIBERLING, Ohio
GEORGE E. DANIELSON, California
ROBERT F. DRINAN, Massachusetts
BARBARA JORDAN, Texas

ELIZABETH HOLTZMAN, New York
ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky
WILLIAM J. HUGHES, New Jersey
SAM B. HALL, JR., Texas
LAMAR GUDGER, North Carolina
HAROLD L. VOLKMER, Missouri
HERBERT E. HARRIS II, Virginia
JIM SANTINI, Nevada

ALLEN E. ERTEL, Pennsylvania
BILLY LEE EVANS, Georgia

ANTHONY C. BEILENSON, California

ROBERT MCCLORY, Illinois
TOM RAILSBACK, Illinois
CHARLES E. WIGGINS, California
HAMILTON FISH, JR., New York
M. CALDWELL BUTLER, Virginia
WILLIAM S. COHEN, Maine
CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, California
JOHN M. ASHBROOK, Ohio
HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois
THOMAS N. KINDNESS, Ohio
HAROLD S. SAWYER, Michigan

ALAN A. PARKER, General Counsel

GARNER J. CLINE, Staff Director
FRANKLIN G. POLK, Associate Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE ON COURTS, CIVIL LIBERTIES, AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin, Chairman

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GENERAL OVERSIGHT

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1977

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON COURTS, CIVIL LIBERTIES

AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY,
Washington, D.C.

The subcommittee met at 10:10 a.m. in room 2226 of the Rayburn House Office Building; Hon. Robert W. Kastenmeier (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Kastenmeier, Danielson, Drinan, Ertel, and Butler.

Staff present: Bruce A. Lehman, Chief Counsel; Timothy A. Boggs, professional staff member; Gail Higgins Fogarty and Michael J. Remington, counsel; and Thomas E. Mooney, associate counsel. Mr. KASTENMEIER. Committee will come to order.

This morning the subcommittee is pleased to start its oversight program of having the chief officers of the various agencies for which we have direct jurisdiction testify as to the present state of the various agencies, their problems, their outlook, both legislative and operational. And this is intended to inform the subcommittee so that later in the year when specific proposals come before us we will be able to have a better understanding of them and place in precise focus the problems. In this connection I am very pleased to welcome back an old friend of this subcommittee. He has appeared before the subcommittee previously. And we have dealt with him in years past.

He is the Director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Mr. Norman Carlson.

And we are pleased to see you.

TESTIMONY OF NORMAN A. CARLSON, DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF PRISONS, ACCOMPANIED BY GARY MOTE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR; SHERMAN DAY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR; DAVID JELINEK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR; DR. ROBERT BRUTSCHE, MEDICAL DIRECTOR; AND MIKE QUINLAN, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR

Mr. CARLSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

First, I would like to introduce staff members who accompanied me this morning: Gary Mote, assistant director; Dr. Sherman Day, assistant director; David Jelinek, assistant director; Dr. Robert Brutsche, medical director; and Mike Quinlan, executive assistant to the director.

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