Mr. MORRIS. Did you contribute to the American rescue ship? Mr. MORRIS. Can you recall that? It is a Spanish relief organition. Mrs. GELFAN. I contributed to the Spanish Relief Organization. Mr. MORRIS. Can you remember contributing to the Americanussian Institute? Mrs. GELFAN. Yes. Mr. MORRIS. Approximately how much money? Mrs. GELFAN. I have no idea over the years. A fair amount. Mrs. GELFAN. I would be surprised if it was that much. Mr. MORRIS. Would you be surprised if it was more than $5,000? Mrs. GELFAN. No. Senator FERGUSON. Where would you get funds in that amount to ontribute? Mrs. GELFAN. From my family, sir. Senator FERGUSON. You obtained them from your family if they were contributed? Mrs. GELFAN. No. I don't want to-my family has given money. am free to spend it as I wish. Senator FERGUSON. Will you state your question again so that she will have it clearly in mind?" Mr. MORRIS. My last question was: Would you be surprised to ealize you contributed more than $5,000? Mrs. GELFAN. I said "no." Mr. SOURWINE. May I ask a question? Mr. SOURWINE. Was all the money which you contributed to the organizations named your own money at the time you contributed? Mrs. GELFAN. Of course. Mr. SOURWINE. You did not make contributions on behalf of someone else or act as an intermediary? Mrs. GELFAN. No, sir. Senator FERGUSON. So if any money was given by you to any of hese organizations, you had not solicited or obtained it from anyone else to be given under your name? Mrs. GELFAN. No, sir. Senator FERGUSON. So you were giving it as your own? Mrs. GELFAN. Yes, sir. Senator FERGUSON. Then your statement it may have come from your family was to indicate the family had given it to you not for this cause? Mrs. GELFAN. That is correct. Mr. MORRIS. Do you remember contributing to the American. Friends of the Chinese People? Mrs. GELFAN. I don't recall. Mr. MORRIS. Do you mean you contributed? Mrs. GELFAN. I don't deny it. I don't recall it. Mr. MORRIS. Do you remember contributing to the Abraham Lincoln Brigade? Mrs. GELFAN. I probably did, sir. Mr. MORRIS. Mr. Chairman, I have no more questions. Senator FERGUSON. I find in this book some documents dated as late as August 14, 1945. That would indicate that it was published after that date. Mrs. GELFAN. Those were put in after it was in proof. Mr. SOURWINE. By this book you are referring to what, Senator! Senator FERGUSON. The Soviet Far Eastern Policy, 1931 to 1945, by Harriet L. Moore. Do you have anything that you want to give to the committee nowany information?" Mrs. GELFAN. No, sir. Senator FERGUSON. You feel that you have had a fair hearing? Senator FERGUSON. It has been complete, as far as you are concerned? You do not want to add anything to it? Mrs. GELFAN. No, sir. Senator FERGUSON. Then the committee will recess subject to call. (Whereupon, at 12 noon, the committee recessed, to reconvene subject to call of the Chair.) INSTITUTE OF PACIFIC RELATIONS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 1952 UNITED STATES SENATE, SUBCOMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE ADMINISTRA- INTERNAL SECURITY LAWS, OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, The subcommittee met at 4: 20 p. m., pursuant to call, in room 424, Senate Office Building, Senator Arthur V. Watkins presiding. Present: Senator Watkins. Also present: Robert Morris, subcommittee counsel, and Benjamin Mandel, director of research. Senator WATKINS. The committee will come to order. Mr. MORRIS. Mr. Chairman, we were to have three witnesses here today, but due to a misunderstanding we have only one, and which witness has been heard in executive session, as you know, earlier today. Senator WATKINS. I understand. Mr. MORRIS. The other two, Mr. Len DeCaux and the former Mildred Price, both will be heard on Monday in executive session. Senator WATKINS. This witness has been sworn in executive session. Does counsel think it is necessary to have her sworn again in public session? Mr. MORRIS. I would suggest it, Senator. Senator WATKINS. It may be surplusage, but we can do it anyway. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you will give in the matter now pending before the subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee of the Senate of the United States will be the truth, the whole truth. and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mrs. BARNES. I do. TESTIMONY OF KATHLEEN BARNES, MIDDYLANDS, NEW HARTFORD, CONN., ACCOMPANIED BY JOSEPH FORER, ESQ., WASHINGTON, D. C. Mr. MORRIS. Mrs. Barnes, will you give your full name and address to the stenographer, please? Mrs. BARNES. Mrs. Kathleen Barnes, Middylands, New Hartford, Conn. Mr. MORRIS. Mrs. Barnes, where were you born? Mrs. BARNES. In England. Mr. MORRIS. What town in England? Mrs. BARNES. Bladon-Dobshire. Mr. MORRIS. When did you become an American citizen? 88348-52-pt. 8—9 2599 Mrs. BARNES. In 1930, I think. Mr. MORRIS. What is your marital status now? Mr. MORRIS. How many times have you been married? Mr. MORRIS. To whom where you married? Mrs. BARNES. Joseph Fels Barnes. Mr. MORRIS. When were you married to Mr. Barnes? Mrs. BARNES. I married Mr. Barnes in 1928, and we were divorced, I think, in 1935. Mr. MORRIS. In 1935. And you have since not remarried? Mrs. BARNES. No. Mr. MORRIS. Mrs. Barnes, were you ever a staff member of the Institute of Pacific Relations? Mrs. BARNES. I was. Mr. MORRIS. When did you commence that relationship? Mrs. BARNES. In, I think it was, the fall of 1934. Mr. MORRIS. I see. Now, at that time, was Mr. Barnes an employee of the Institute of Pacific Relations? Mrs. BARNES. I don't think so. I think he had left just before. Mr. MORRIS. He had been secretary; is that right? Mrs. BARNES. Yes. Mr. MORRIS. He had been secretary up until what year? Mrs. BARNES. Up until 1934. Mr. MORRIS. So it is your testimony that your employment with the institute commenced at a time subsequent to his departure? Mrs. BARNES. That is as I recollect it. I don't know, there might have been some slight overlapping in technicalities, but I don't think So. Mr. MORRIS. Have you made any visit to Moscow ? Mrs. BARNES. Yes. Mr. MORRIS. Could you tell the committee the number and the duration of each visit? Mrs. BARNES. I was there twice, once in-I don't remember how many months I was all the time in Moscow. I think about three and a bit, the first time. Mr. MORRIS. Three and a bit months? Mrs. BARNES. Yes, three and a part of a month. And the second time I was there my impression is that it was something like 2 months. I can't remember exactly. Mr. MORRIS. Were you there on behalf of the institute? Mrs. BARNES. Was I there on behalf of the institute? Mr. MORRIS. Yes. Mrs. BARNES. No. Mr. MORRIS. Did you do any work in Moscow for the Institute of Pacific Relations? Mrs. BARNES. I don't think so; no. Mr. MORRIS. Mrs. Barnes, have you read the testimony within which your name has appeared before this committee? Mrs. BARNES. I have. Mr. MORRIS. And you understand that you were named by one of the witnesses here as a member of the Communist Party? Mrs. BARNES. I do so understand. Mr. MORRIS. Mrs. Barnes, were you in fact ever a member of the Communist Party? Mrs. BARNES. I refuse to answer because of my privilege under the fifth amendment not to testify against myself. Senator WATKINS. Are you afraid if you answer that truthfully it 'might incriminate you? Mrs. BARNES. I suppose that is-that is a different phraseology of the same thing, is it not? Senator WATKINS. In answer to my question, I think you know what I asked. Mrs. BARNES. Yes, I think so, yes. Mrs. MORRIS. When did you terminate your relationship with the Institute of Pacific Relations? Mrs. BARNES. In 1940. Mr. MORRIS. Are you still a member of the institute? Mrs. BARNES. No. Mr. MORRIS. In other words, you do not subscribe to the publications any more? Mrs. BARNES. No. Mr. MORRIS. Mrs. Barnes, did Mr. Carter ever recruit you or ask you to do any work for the Government in the early part of the war? Mrs. BARNES. Asked me to do any work for the Government? I suppose you refer to a letter there in which he sent some sort of a questionnaire as to-something about the National Resources Planning Board. I do not recollect particularly receiving that letter from Mr. Carter. I may have. I do recollect filling in a questionnaire from the National Resources Board. Mr. MORRIS. I see. Mr. Chairman, may I introduce into the record a letter from Mr. Edward C. Carter addressed to Mrs. Kathleeen Barnes, dated September 24, 1940? Mr. Mandel, will you authenticate that that is a document of the Institute of Pacific Relations? Mr. MANDEL. That is a photostat of a document from the files of the Institute of Pacific Relations, dated September 24, 1940, addressed to Mrs. Kathleen Barnes from Edward C. Carter. Mr. MORRIS. Will you receive that in the record, Mr. Chairman? Senator WATKINS. That will be received in the record and marked in the next sequence with an identifying number. (The document referred to was marked "Exhibit No. 414" and is as follows:) EXHIBIT No. 414 Mrs. KATHLEEN BARNES: SUNSET FARM, DEAR KATHLEEN: On behalf of the National Resources Planning Board, the American Council of Learned Societies is preparing a roster of scientific and professional personnel who can use what are described as "unusual" languages. You, of course, come in this category, and I am wondering whether you have any objection to my listing your gifts. Would you let me know how many of the following nine functions you would feel competent to fulfill in case Uncle Sam needed you: 1. Radio listening. 2. Radio speaking. 3. Intensive teaching of languages. |