I saw him here some days ago in the State Department, but as I say he was a man that I met casually from time to time and may have been on committees where I served, but I didn't know him very well ever. Mr. SOURWINE. He is not a social acquaintance of yours? Mr. VINCENT. Never. I don't know his wife, I don't think. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you know at any time that Mr. Barnett was connected with the Communist movement? Mr. VINCENT. No, sir. Mr. SOURWINE. Did I ask you that question with regard to Mr. Adler? Mr. VINCENT. You did not. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you at any time know that Mr. Adler was connected with the Communist movement? Mr. VINCENT. I did not. Mr. SOURWINE. The next name is Joseph Barnes. Mr. MORRIS. When did you first hear Mr. Adler's name connected with the Communist movement? Mr. VINCENT. I never have heard his name connected with the Communist Party, Mr. Morris. Mr. MORRIS. You are not acquainted with the testimony taken by this committee? Mr. VINCENT. No; I am not. Senator SMITH. Where is Mr. Barnett? Is he here now? Mr. VINCENT. Yes, sir. Senator SMITH. Was not his father a missionary to China? Mr. VINCENT. I think he was. Most of those boys were sons of missionaries to China. Senator SMITH. I used to know his father years ago. Mr. VINCENT. It is surprising how many of them are sons of missionaries and some day somebody can write a book on the influence of the sons of missionaries in the Far East. Senator SMITH. This is a man who used to go to student conventions down in South Carolina during the summer? Mr. SOURWINE. Joseph Barnes? Mr. VINCENT. Joseph Barnes. Let me see. I have never had much association with Mr. Barnes. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know him? Mr. VINCENT. I know him. I just want to see the dates. Mr. VINCENT. Mr. Barnes, when I knew him, was a newspaperman. Yes; here I have a note jotted down (reading): I met Mr. Barnes first in 1942 when he came to China with Wendell Willkie. Subsequently on my return to Washington I probably saw Mr. Barnes once or twice. I met him socially in New York, I think, on one occasion. I have forgotten what the occasion was. I have never met Mrs. Barnes, and we were not close associates. Mr. SOURWINE. When was the last time you saw him, do you know? Mr. VINCENT. The last time I saw him, my guess would be, was in 1946, but it might turn out to be 1947. It was at some time when I was in New York making a speech and there was a dinner afterward and he was present after the dinner. Mr. SOURWINE. Have you ever been in his home? Mr. VINCENT. Never. Mr. SOURWINE. Is he married? Mr. VINCENT. I am told he was. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know whether Mr. Adler is married? Mr. VINCENT. Mr. Adler is married, or was married the last time. I met him, because he told me he had a new wife. Mr. SOURWINE. Had you ever met his wife? Mr. VINCENT. No; but I think I met her when he came back here. Mr. SOURWINE. When was the last time he visited Washington? Mr. VINCENT. My recollection would be that he was here some time before I departed for China and after the war closed, which would be in 1946, more likely than not, if that is when he married. I don't know when he married, but at the time I learned he was married was the last time. Mr. SOURWINE. This was the occasion when he told you he had a new wife? Mr. VINCENT. Yes. I think I either had lunch with him or saw him at the Cosmos Club, because I have a recollection of seeing his wife and was introduced to her as the new wife. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you remember who else was present on that occasion? Mr. VINCENT. I would say offhand that it was just the three of us, although my wife may have been present. It was one of these downtown lunches. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you give the party or did he? Mr. VINCENT. I think I did. I think I did because I don't think he is a member of the Cosmos Club. I may have told him to meet me at the Cosmos Club. Mr. SOURWINE. Is Mr. Barnett married? Mr. VINCENT. I think he is, but I don't know his wife, at least I don't recall his wife, although I may have met her. Mr. MORRIS. Mr. Vincent, when you said you met Mr. Barnes at a dinner in New York, under what auspices was that? Mr. VINCENT. I don't know. I think he came in after dinner some time. Mr. MORRIS. You said you were the speaker? Mr. VINCENT. No, no, it was at a time when I was in New York making a speech and stayed on in New York. I was never given a dinner. Mr. MORRIS. Where was the speech given? Mr. VINCENT. It may have been my speech before the National Trade Council or it may have been the speech I made before the foreign affairs group. Mr. SOURWINE. The Foreign Policy Association? Mr. VINCENT. I made one. I was up there three or four times during the year. If I could recall I would tell you which one. I didn't usually go up to New York except to go up there to make a speech. I couldn't afford going up there. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you ever have any correspondence with Mr. Barnes? Mr. VINCENT. Not that I recall. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you know at any time that Mr. Barnes was connected with the Communist movement? Mr. VINCENT. I did not, sir. 88348-52-pt. 6- -2 Mr. SOURWINE. The next name is Dr. Norman Bethune, B-e-t-h u-n-e. Mr. VINCENT. I can't, Mr. Sourwine, recall knowing Mr. Bethune, yet the name rings a mild bell somewhere. If you could possibly aid my memory in what connection I may have known him I might be able to contribute something. Mr. SOURWINE. I am sorry, I could not, naturally, make a suggestion in that regard. Mr. VINCENT. Then my testimony is that I don't recall Mr. Bethune and yet there were so many people in and out of Chungking and in and out of my office that Bethune was somebody that I might have known. Mr. MANDEL. Could I refresh your memory? Mr. VINCENT. You could. Mr. MANDEL. He, was the head of a hospital in China. He is engaged in medical relief in China. Mr. VINCENT. Chong Chow? There was a hospital that I was in myself in 1937. In Peking? There was the Peking Medical Society Hospital, a Rockefeller hospital, but I don't recall any association with him. Mr. SOURWINE. The next name is T. A. Bisson, B-i-s-s-o-n. Mr. VINCENT. I have a note here on Bisson, I think, if I may refer to it as to when I met him. The note here, well, could I say I have a recollection of meeting Bisson on several occasions? The one that is the most prominent in my memory, the others have faded away, is the IPR conference in Hot Springs in 1945. Mr. SOURWINE. Who was Mr. Bisson? Mr. VINCENT. Mr. Bisson at that time was connected with the IPR in some capacity and wrote for the IPR. Mr. SOURWINE. What has been your association with Mr. Bisson? Mr. VINCENT. Very slight indeed, as I have put here. As I say (reading): I may have met him on half a dozen occasions. These people came into the office on one matter or another. I don't know a Mrs. Bisson, I don't know where he lives. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you say you don't know Mrs. Bisson or a Mrs. Bisson? Mr. VINCENT. I don't know a Mrs. Bisson. Mr. SOURWINE. Is he married? Mr. VINCENT. I don't know. Mr. SOURWINE. Have you corresponded with him? Mr. VINCENT. Not that I recall. Mr. SOURWINE. At any time? Mr. VINCENT. There may have been an exchange of letters during 1944 or 1945 during that period when I was connected with the IPR, but as I say I don't recall any correspondence or the nature of it. Mr. SOURWINE. But you have not corresponded with him at any other time? Mr. VINCENT. No. He may have written me a letter while I was in China and I didn't know him. He may have written while I was consul in Dairen. Mr. SOURWINE. Would you know him? Mr. VINCENT. I wouldn't say that I did. But people would write you letters wanting to know what is going on in Mukden or Dairen. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know where you met Mr. Bisson, first met him? Mr. VINCENT. I don't. Mr. SOURWINE. I take it you don't recall how you met him? Mr. VINCENT. Mr. Bisson didn't make much of an impression on me, but I do know he was at the Hot Springs conference. Mr. SOURWINE. Was that the last time you saw him? Mr. VINCENT. I wouldn't want to testify that was the last time, that was the last time according to my recollection. Mr. SOURWINE. You did not make any appointment with him for a meeting at any subsequent time? Mr. VINCENT. Not that I recall. I never sought him out. Mr. SOURWINE. If you met he sought you out? Mr. VINCENT. That would be my testimony based on my recollection. Mr. SOURWINE. Or a chance meeting? Mr. VINCENT. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. The next name is Earl Browder? Mr. VINCENT. I have never met to my knowledge Earl Browder. Mr. SOURWINE. I forgot to ask the standard question, sir, with regard to Mr. Bisson. Did you know at any time that Mr. Bisson was connected with the Communist movement? Mr. VINCENT. No, sir. Mr. SOURWINE. The next name is Evans F. Carlson, C-a-r-l-s-o-n. Mr. VINCENT. I don't recall ever meeting Evans Carlson at all. I have heard of him and understand he wrote a book, which I never read, but I never met him to my knowledge. Mr. SOURWINE. We come now to the first of what will, before we are through, be many Chinese names. I do not speak the language, and I must apologize for what will undoubtedly be improper pronunciation in many cases. Mr. VINCENT. May I apologize, too, that there are going to be many of these names that will be Chus or Yus or Yings and Yangs who just not through a lack of desire to be helpful but that I won't be able to place unless you can place them for me. Mr. SOURWINE. The first name I have here is with my inadequate pronunciation, I will spell it-C-h-e-n H-a-n-s-e-n-g. Mr. VINCENT. Chen Han-seng. I don't recall meeting Chen Hanseng. I knew him by repute in China, a professor there, but I don't recall my meeting with him. I want to continue that testimony. You meet many Chinese and I want to be quite frank with you that Chen Han-seng may have been in a meeting at Chungking or when I was in Kunming or he may have come here to the State Department with other Chinese but I don't recall meeting him. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know where he was a professor? Mr. VINCENT. I thought he was down in Kunming. Mr. SOURWINE. About what time was that? Mr. VINCENT. It would be the time when I was in China, which would be the last time, 1941 to 1943. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know where he is now? Mr. VINCENT. I do not. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know anything about the present connections of Chen Han-seng? Mr. VINCENT. I do not. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you know at any time that he was connected with the Communist movement? Mr. VINCENT. I did not. Mr. SOURWINE. The next name I have here is Ch'ao Ting Chi, C-h-'-a-o T-i-n-g C-h-i. Or perhaps the Chi should come first? Mr. VINCENT. Chi. I have met Chi (reading): I met him in Chungking when he was acting as assistant to Dr. H. H. Kung, K-u-n-g, when he was assistant to Dr. Kung and also was connected with the Stabilization Board. I saw him from time to time. Mr. SOURWINE. Had you met him before that? Mr. VINCENT. I had not to my knowledge. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you recall who introduced you to him? Mr. VINCENT. My thought would be that the logical person would have been either Dr. Kung or Manuel Fox, who was head of the Stabilization Board. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you remember whether it was the logical person who did introduce you? Mr. VINCENT. I do not remember whether it was the logical person. Mr. SOURWINE. You do not know, in other words, who did introduce you? Mr. VINCENT. No. I met him frequently on social occasions in the house of General Chiang Kai-shek because he was also a man who was there at any social functions. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you meet him socially elsewhere? Mr. VINCENT. Not that I recall. Probably in Chinese homes. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you yourself have any personal social intercourse with him? Mr. VINCENT. Not that I know of. Mr. SOURWINE. Was he in your home or you in his? Mr. VINCENT. He may have been in Dr. Gauss' home. We invited Chinese over to have lunch once a week and he may have been one of them. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you have any correspondence with him? Mr. VINCENT. I do not. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you recall when or approximately when is the last time you saw him? Mr. VINCENT. I would say that I haven't seen him since I left China, but if he came to the States and was around at large funotions such as they have in New York, Dr. Chi may have been there. Mr. SOURWINE. Is he a doctor? Mr. VINCENT. No; I think we called him Dr. Chi because he is a professor. Mr. SOURWINE. Is he a Ph. D? Mr. VINCENT. I don't know. I fell into the "Doctor" because he was a professor. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you recall when you last heard about him from anyone else? Mr. VINCENT. I do not. Mr. SOURWINE. Have you heard anything from him in the last 2 or 3 years? Mr. VINCENT. No, I haven't. |