Mr. TAYLOR. There should be a saving on that.

Mr. CRAMTON. We can probably save $10,000 or $12,000.

Mr. BOND. But will you let me say this? There is no other United States map published that compares in any way with our map in the details that are needed by all the departments and bureaus. Mr. CRAMTON. Of the Government?

Mr. BOND. Yes.

Mr. TAYLOR. Are these the large maps that you send out to schools

Mr. BOND. Five feet by seven feet.

Mr. TAYLOR. I think sending them to the schools they do some good.

Mr. SPRY. Yes; history as well as geography.

Mr. FRENCH. You think, then, you will need a certain number to supply properly Government institutions and Government officials? Mr. BOND. Yes.

Mr. FRENCH. Well, how many would that be?

Mr. BOND. I think we ought to have a thousand maps.

Mr. FRENCH. A thousand would supply that every year?
Mr. BOND. Yes.

COST OF MAPS AND SALE OF BY SUPERINTENDENT OF DOCUMENTS

Mr. FRENCH. Beyond the first thousand, what would you say would be the cost per additional thousand up to the total number we publish?

Mr. BOND. I haven't the contract in mind, but, of course, the first five or ten thousand, if the editions are small, will be a good deal more per map than they are when we get 15,000 or 20,000.

Mr. FRENCH. I realize that, but isn't it also true that preparing the plates and the data for a thousand maps, and turning off the thousand which you need-isn't it true that that is a considerable part of the expense, and a greater expense for the first thousand than any additional thousand?

Mr. BOND. Well, in a sense, yes; but the cost of compiling the maps is not paid for out of this $15,000 at all. It is paid from the regular salary fund of the draftsmen in the office, and the compilers. The actual cost that this means is the cost of photolithographing, printing, mounting, etc; furnishing rollers.

Mr. CRAMTON. Can you get for us a statement of how many of these maps are sold now by the Public Printer? How many of them he sells in a year, then how many are required for the Government needs, and what the cost is of furnishing that number, and then how much for each edditional thousand?

Mr. FRENCH. Also with that, the price received by the Public Printer for the number he sells?

NOTE. The Superintendent of Documents informally reports that he sold 329 United States maps last year and that so far this year he has sold 200 maps. These maps were not furnished him by the General Land Office.

An annual edition of 1,000 copies, to be divided equally between the office of the Secretary of the Interior and the Commissioner of the General Land Office, will be needed to supply the different departments and bureaus with copies for official use.

It is estimated that the cost of publication, including the purchase of muslin, the mounting and attachment of rollers complete for 1,000 maps will be $4,482, or $4.48 per map.

The estimate for each additional 1,000 maps is $2,728, or $2.73 per map. The Superintendent of Documents sells the United States map compiled and engraved in the General Land Office at $2 each.

STATE AND TERRITORIAL MAPS

Mr. CRAMTON. State and Territorial maps for 1925, $1,500. There is a reduction to $1,300. That you consider a real justification for its existence.

For separate State and Territorial maps of public-land States, including maps showing areas designated by the Secretary of the Interior under the enlarged homstead acts, prepared in the General Land Office, $1,300.

Mr. BOND. This appropriation until the current year has been $2,000, but was reduced to $1,500 for 1925 on recommendation of the bureau because it was agreed to eliminate the authority to publish maps showing areas designated by the Secretary of the Interior under the enlarged homstead act, and the amount, $500, necessary to pay for these maps, was taken from the appropriation.

But $1,260 of the $1,500 appropriated was expended in 1924 for the reason that the fiscal year closed before the compiling of the last map was finished and payment went over to 1925. Owing to scarcity of competent draftsmen and the pressure of work more immediately needed, the compiling and lettering of all four of the State maps now under way will not be completed. It is therefore believed that of the current appropriation not more than $1,100 will be expended in 1925. The call for these State maps by all government activities is large and we hope that conditions will so improve that we may be in a position in 1926 to publish three or four State maps as in the past, and therefore request an appropriation of $1,300.

Mr. CRAMTON. State and Territorial maps, $1.500. There is a reduction to $13,000, and that you consider has a real justification for its existence?

Mr. TAYLOR. You don't publish these State maps very often?
Mr. SPRY. Not yearly.

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Mr. BOND. We publish three or four in a year, if we can. course, of those old States, like Illinois and Indiana, we don't publish oftener than once in 15 or 20 years.

Mr. CRAMTON. There was an item here of $3,000 for a filing system. That is omitted in this year's Budget. You will get that from the general appropriation of the Secretary's office?

Mr. BOND. We hope so.

Mr. CRAMTON. What you get, you will have to get there?
Mr. BOND. Yes.

PUBLIC LAND SERVICE

SURVEYING PUBLIC LANDS

Mr. CRAMTON. The next item is as follows:

Surveying public lands: For surveys and resurveys of public lands, examination of surveys heretofore made and reported to be defective or fraudulent, inspecting mineral deposits. coal fields, and timber districts, making fragmentary surveys, and such other surveys or examinations as may be required for identification of lands for purposes of evidence in any suit or proceeding in behalf of the United States, under the supervision of the Commissioner of the General Land Office and direction of the Secretary of the Interior, $840,290: Provided, That the sum of not exceeding 10 per centum of the amount hereby appropriated may be expended by the Commissioner of the General Land Office, with the approval of the Secretary of the Interior, for the purchase of metal or other equally durable monuments to be used for public land survey corners wherever practicable: Provided further, That not to exceed $10,000 of

this appropriation may be expended for salaries of employees of the field surveying service temporarily detailed to the General Land Office: Provided further, That not to exceed $15,000 of this appropriation may be used for the survey, classification, and sale of the lands and timber of the so-called Oregon and California Railroad lands and the Coos Bay Wagon Road lands: Prorided further, That not to exceed $50,000 of this appropriation may be used for surveys and resurveys, ander the rectangular system provided by law, of public lands deemed to be valuable for oil and oil shale.

The office of surveyor general is hereby abolished, effective July 1, 1925, and the administration of all activities heretofore in charge of surveyors general, including the necessary personnel, all records, furniture, and other equipment, and all supplies of their respective officers, are hereby transferred to and consolidated with the Field Surveying Service, under the jurisdiction of the United States Supervisor of Surveys, who will hereafter administer same in association with the surveying operations in his charge and under such regulations as the Secretary of the Interior may provide.

Mr. SPRY. To bring the entire field surveying service under one administrative head and secure greater economy in operation the position of United States surveyor general should be abolished and the work of their offices consolidated with the field surveying service under the supervisor of surveys. No estimate has therefore been made for the salaries of surveyors general, and in order that the limited amount to be provided for the consolidated service may be used to the best advantage, the expenses of such offices have been estimated for under the title "Surveying the public lands," and the necessary language to carry the change into effect has been added to the text under that title. It is estimated that the consolidation will effect a net saving of approximately $124,390 annually, of which $37,000 is represented by the total salaries of the United States surveyors general. The saving is explained as follows:

Surveying the public lands, preliminary estimate..

Salaries and contingent expenses, offices of surveyors general, if continued separately

$750,000

214, 680

Surveying the public lands, including offices of surveyors general

Surveying the public lands, including offices of surveyors general-Continued

Salaries and wages, personal services, $560,000. The total number of employees estimated for is 430, of which 355 are field men. The latter number is but an average for the year, although the total number at the height of the surveying season will run between 600 and 700.

Under normal conditions a surveying crew consists of seven persons, a chief of party, 2 principal assistants or chainmen, 1 flagman, 1 axeman, 1 cornerman, and 1 cook. Teamsters and packers are added as occasion demands. While this appropriation bears the principal burden of the expense of the surveying service under the rectangular system it may be stated that the survey of railroad land grants, resurveys under the act of September 21, 1918, surveys under section 2401, United States Revised Statutes, and the survey of lands included in oil, gas, and potash leases and patents are paid from special deposits. In addition thereto surveys on Indian reservations executed by this service are paid from funds set aside by the Commissioner of Indian Affairs from the appropriation for surveying and allotting Indian reservations. Last year over $66,000 was spent from special deposits and $33,000 from the appropriation for surveying and allotting Indian reservations. Special deposits are made by private individuals to pay the cost of transcribing and platting the returns of mineral surveys and certain classes of original surveys and resurveys. Excess deposits are returned to the claimants.

The number of employees estimated for under this item, it is believed, will be sufficient to carry forward the work of the office of the United States surveyor general. This is a reduction of approximately 20 employees effected by the consolidation, including the 12 surveyors general who are eliminated.

Supplies and materials, $86,750. This covers stationery and other supplies obtained from the department. The appropriation act for the current fiscal year under contingent expenses, Department of the

Interior, provides that there shall be deducted for this purpose $2,000 from the contingent expenses, offices of surveyors general, and $2,500 from surveying the public lands, and placed at the disposal of the department for filling requisitions. Drafting equipment for these offices is also provided from this item. But the bulk of the supplies and materials is for the conduct of the public land surveys in the field. The operations of the surveying service must be conducted from camps maintained in the immediate vicinity of the work and subsistence furnished the employees. This is the chief item which is estimated at $60,000. Forage and other supplies for the Government-owned animals estimated at $9,000; fuel (gasoline) for the Government-owned automobiles $7,000, sundry supplies for camp maintenance, chiefly lubricating oils, $5,000, and materials such as flagging, lumber, canvas, paints, and leather, $750.

Subsistence and support of persons (service), $30,000. The maintenance of surveying camps in many communities is neither necessary nor economical, as subsistence for the employees can be had at ranches or other places convenient to the work. This expense for board and lodging of parties is in direct proportion to the resurvey activities of the service.

Subsistence and care of animals and storage and care of vehicles (service), $6,500. During the winter months when the field surveying activities are suspended, particularly in the northern latitude, the 125 Government-owned animals have to be pastured, and even during the surveying season they must be sheltered in stables whenever possible. At times it is economical to transport the animals from one State to another as the work demands. In this way they are kept in active use as much as possible.

Communication service, $1,950. This item includes telegraphic service estimated at $600, telephone service at $1,200, and other services such as registered mail at $150. The supervisor of surveys, most of the assistant supervisors of surveys, and all of the United States surveyor generals offices are provided with telephones. Telegrams are restricted to night messages whenever possible.

Travel expenses, $33,000. Our surveying activities are widely scattered throughout the public-land States, several parties operating in each State, but in different localities, in accordance with the demands: and this item is chiefly to meet the cost of moving such parties Preference is given, first, in surveying townships occupied by bona fide settlers and to lands granted the States, and second, to lands of an agricultural character or available for irrigation and dry farming. Special effort is made through the economic grouping of townships as they are authorized for survey to reduce travel expense to a minimum.

Transportation of things (service). $14,000. As it is necessary to dispatch the surveyors and their assistants from place to place, so is it necessary to transport their surveying equipment. The chief items are shipment of the iron posts from the Government arsenal at Rock Island, Ill., where they are manufactured, to the remote places in the field, the shipment of surveying equipment and of stationery and office supplies from the department and the General Supply Committee.

Lithographing service, $500. This item includes the preparation of special reports and exhibits of surveys, investigations, and exam