ask you that simply to be governed accordingly with respect to scheduling hearings and in undertaking to expedite the processing of this legislation. Attorney General MITCHELL. With respect to S. 30, Mr. Chairman, I believe, subject to correction by the members of my staff here, that the Department can have a detailed analysis of it within 15 days or 3 weeks. With respect to the studies that we are making in the organized crime area, generally, I believe that within the outside limits of 3 weeks we will have a detailed analysis of our recommendations. These recommendations, of course, are primarily in the area of budgetary appropriations with respect to personnel and other expenditures, and require detailed evaluations in connection with our substantive program. Senator MCCLELLAN. I understand that in the course of making these evaluations, and so forth, you will want to recommend additional legislation as well as request additional funds to operate the Department and in particular the organized crime section. But what I was trying to ascertain is if you do have in mind submitting specific legislative recommendations in this field? I assume you would submit them through the President and the President would send down a message, but I don't know. Attorney General MITCHELL. This is quite probable, Mr. Chairman. Senator MCCLELLAN. How soon will it be before you will be ready to do that? Attorney General MITCHELL. I am sure it would be within that 3week period, although it might be later. Senator MCCLELLAN. So we can say maybe within the next 30 days or so we can have the benefit of your analysis, findings, views, and recommendations? Attorney General MITCHELL. I am afraid if we do not have them within that time we are liable to incur the wrath of the gentleman at the White House. Senator MCCLELLAN. Very good. I did not mean to imply that you would incur the wrath of this committee. As I said a while ago, I know you have a tremendous job, having just come into office, and I recognize that this is not a problem that can just be glanced at and a decision made. An analysis in depth, a thorough examination, is a prerequisite, I think, to making the right decisions, and my interrogation wasn't with any idea of trying to urge you to do it faster than is necessary to do it thoroughly and wisely. I was just trying to get an idea about it, so we will know how to govern the scheduling of hearings and our work in connection with this problem. If we can get it within 3 weeks or 30 days it will help us to move along more expeditiously. I have just a few questions. We have been investigating and talking about organized crime now for almost a decade. We think it is time to take stock of where we are and where we were going. In your opinion, have we begun to arrest or reverse the growth of organized crime in the United States as of now? Attorney General MITCHELL. Mr. Chairman, the question is difficult to answer because we are not certain of the amount of our information. Up-to-date information and intelligence constitute the keystone of the attack on organized crime and, of course, in determining the extent of syndicate operations. I believe that, with the intelligence that has been developed by the hearings in the Congress and through the activities of our Department and the investigating agencies, organized crime probably has not been arrested, but we are working in that direction. I think that with the program that we propose to put in effect, we will arrest it and hopefully turn it the other way decisively. Senator MCCLELLAN. I may say, that if you are not quite certain about what your response to these questions should be or need to get any additional information, if any, you can, of course, submit a statement for the record later. Attorney General MITCHELL. Yes. Senator MCCLELLAN. In what area or areas, would you say the growth of organized crime has been the greatest in the past decade? Attorney General MITCHELL. I think, Mr. Chairman, that that can be answered generally based on the intelligence that is available in our Department. The growth of it and the expansion of it have been greatest in the metropolitan, large metropolitan, centers that are east of the Mississippi River. This seems to be where the greatest concentration of organized crime is. Senator MCCLELLAN. In the last decade the Department of Justice has, of course, brought some significant prosecutions, for example, against the Cosa Nostra, the chief organized crime group in the United States. The Department has secured the conviction of Vito Genovese and Raymond Patriarca. These are notable successes. In terms of past effort much has been accomplished. Yet I am concerned that more has not been done. Have we, for example, destroyed through criminal prosecution any one of the 22 major Cosa Nostra families? Attorney General MITCHELL. My information on that, Senator, is that we have not destroyed any as such. But I believe the Patriarca case that you referred to in New England put a big dent into the organized activities there, and also in the Chicago area by the prosecution and conviction of many of the organized crime figures in Chicago. It certainly has put a dent into the activities there, and to a degree, of course, this has been true in Buffalo and to some extent in Detroit. Senator MCCLELLAN. In other words, where you are able to get convictions, it does at least hamper their style for a while. Attorney General MITCHELL. It seems to have that effect. If we cannot destroy the organizations which dominate and control organized crime, how can we arrest or reverse its growth? Should it be our objective, for example, to try to destroy these Cosa Nostra families? Would this eliminate this menace in the country-or is the most we can hope is to hamper, impair, and weaken their effectiveness or their successes? Attorney General MITCHELL. Well, as I mentioned in my statement, Mr. Chairman, we are taking a new look at this approach, and we feel that, if we not only proceed against the individual members of the organized crime syndicate, but also proceed against their sources of income, the double-barreled approach may have a more lasting effect than merely eliminating one of the players and providing an opportunity for a substitute after the original player has been put in jail. Senator MCCLELLAN. Would you elaborate on how you would destroy their sources of revenue? Attorney General MITCHELL. Well, if the chairman will indulge me, I think that we had better keep that matter for further consideration in our activity. Senator MCCLELLAN. Very well. But you say the fact that you may finally arrest and convict the top man in a family does not destroy the family. Someone else just moves up to take his place. Attorney General MITCHELL. That is correct, sir. Senator MCCLELLAN. And your thought is that we have to find some way to attack the source of the revenues that constitute the attraction for them to continue their activities? Attorney General MITCHELL. Yes, sir. To remove the illegal activity, the business or whatever the source of those funds is. Senator MCCLELLAN. In other words, stop the source of narcotics for this country, that would be a good example, would it not? Attorney General MITCHELL. That would be a fine example. If you remove the mechanics, the vehicles that they use, this will, of course, dissuade the substitute player from coming on the scene. Senator MCCLELLAN. Yes, sir. Attorney General MITCHELL. This, by the way, Mr. Chairman, is more applicable in other areas of illicit income to organized crime. Senator MCCLELLAN. Yes, sir. The staff has prepared for insertion in the record, some graphs and charts relating to organized crime. I am going to ask that you be supplied a copy of these, General, and that you have your staff examine them for errors and to correct them, if you will, for the benefit of this record. I do not want it to be just the staff of the committee who developed the charts. I would like to have the benefit of your examination, comments, and revision. Attorney General MITCHELL. We will be pleased to do so. As you know, we have much material on the subject matter that should be helpful. Senator MCCLELLAN. Yes, I wanted to make this record as accurate as the information available to us will make possible. I think the staff has done a good job on those charts and graphs, but I want them checked, if you will, by your Department. Attorney General MITCHELL. Very good, sir. (The charts referred to are as follows:) The statistics prepared by the Subcommittee staff in regard to those matters under the supervision of the Criminal Division appear to be accurate except for the statistics reflected on Chart 3-Organized Crime Section Indictments. It ap pears that the statistics reflected therein combine Fiscal Year statistics and Calendar Year statistics. BASIC STATISTICS, FEDERAL EFFORT, ORGANIZED CRIME AND RACKETEERING, 1960-68 1 New chart furnished by the Department of Justice, June 3, 1969. *Note: It should be noted that the total indictments and convictions reflect narcotic cases through Feb. 1, 1968, only. s you will recall, the Narcotic and Dangerous Drug Section was formed in April 1968. It should also be noted that there was a significant decrease in wagering cases because of the Marchetti and Grosso decisions. As CHART IV.-RACKETEERING STATUTE INDICTMENTS ORGANIZED CRIME SECTION CHART V.-MAN-DAYS INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE PARTICIPATION, ORGANIZED CRIME DRIVE Total.. 1 Does not include supervisory time. 2 Not available. 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 8,836 11,528 82,852 (2) 13,075 (2) 1,894 180 96, 182 87,621 86,115 74,938 61,637 42,120 8,609 6,533 8, 360 7,480 11,220 15, 584 38,952 36,642 34, 850 24,517 19, 445 16,625 1,305 2,732 2,058 381 257 745 (3) (1) 6 (3) (1) 8,836 11,528 135, 183 145, 054 133, 528 120,206 107,336 92, 559 75,074 CHART VII.-COSA NOSTRA INDICTMENTS JANUARY 1961 TO DECEMBER 1969 (ESTIMATED MEMBERSHIP, 5,000) |