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Mr. DANIELSOx. Thank you. Now, Mr. Lieb and Jr. Iloopes, jot both referred to an item that troubles me here, the definition of “systematic reproduction," what do you mean by that! And please give it to me kind of quickly, if you could.

Jr. Lies. When a library, whether it is the large central research library, or the mother library in the network, when by plan or effect it regularly produces copies--regularly as distinguished from sp). radically or on occasional instances-regularly produces copies in which are provided to the user in lieu of the original, the book or the journal

Mr. DANIELSON. You are talking about a continuing operation, as opposed to an intermittent or sporadic one.

Mr. LIER. Correct, and the Senate report makes that clear.
Mr. DANIELSON. Is that what you have in mind, also ?

Mr. Karp. I would quickly refer you to the Senate report ; it gives the general definition as an example.

Mr. DANIELSOx. You are adopting the definition, then, in the Senate report,

Mr. Karp. And I would point out that the Senate then urged the parties to sit down and work out more detailed guidelines.

Mr. DANIELSOx, Funny they should have that foresight berau-e I'm on the verge of making that same request. (Laughter.]

So, could you consider that request as having been renewed ?

Mr. Lieb, was copying of the type we were discussing to lay a sig. nificant problem before the advent of the quick copying equipment! Mr. Lier. I don't think so, sir.

Jr. DANIELSON. I am going to make an observation, then. Quick copying is here to stay; in fact, it is going to get quicker, and easri, and better; it is bound to. So, I think what we have to do, it-tead of fighting the inevitable like the motion pictures fought teleradion for a long time. We just have to find a way where we can accommodate this thing and live with it. Copying is not going to go away.

Mr. Joprs. That's right, Mr. Chairman, and that is precir our position. The publishers are in no war opposed to wide disseminat201: We would simple like a reasonable licensing arrangement to curr works that are going to be copied in very large quantities that 1. (1) SIV, under stematir topping arrangements

Mr. DINDISO. I wis glad to hear that other people unit Horta alont the first amendment balle I find it quite a role in t! ( mittee.

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