The CHAIRMAN. Next we have the Netherlands. They used to do their own fishing, and now you have them down to import a good deal more than they had prewar, and with a catch pretty nearly double what they had prewar.

Mr. TYSON. I would like to correct that figure on domestic production, because that is not comparable with our revised figure on estimated production.

Mr. STEFAN. That 225,000 ton figure?

Mr. TYSON. The prewar figure was 206,000 tons.

The CHAIRMAN. Prewar was 206,000 tons?

Mr. TYSON. Yes, sir; that is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Instead of 127,000 tons?

Mr. TYSON. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Your 225,000 figure is away beyond the consumption there. Why we need importations from ERP money is kind of difficult for the ordinary person to follow.

Mr. TYSON. There, again, it is the type of fish imported from one country that they use, and that the other country does not.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. But you indicate for 1948-49, 10,000 metric tons of imports, and 225,000 tons of domestic production.

Mr. TYSON. That is right.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That is a total of 235,000 tons.

Mr. TYSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. And 99,000 for consumption.

Mr. TYSON. That is right.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What becomes of all of the rest of it?

Mr. TYSON. It is exported. It goes primarily into Germany and Belgium.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What do they do, salt it or can it?

Mr. TYSON. No; it is handled as fresh and frozen fish. The total imports are primarily from other participating countries.

The CHAIRMAN. It sounds a little bit as if these figures had not been too well considered.

In Norway their production is good and their consumption is set down as 50 percent above prewar.

Mr. TYSON. We have in one figure there included the fish for use for manufacture into meal and oil, and I would like to check it. Their consumption is high. We know that.

The CHAIRMAN. It naturally would be as their production is high, and that is why they probably do not have as much meat in their picture as some of the other countries of a similar type. That is, the per capita would not be quite so high.

Mr. TYSON. They are one of the primary suppliers for other European countries.

The CHAIRMAN. Portugal has an available supply of 210,000 tons and a domestic production of 210,000 tons, away above prewar in each case, and still it is importing 45,000 tons.

Mr. TYSON. There, again, it is salt fish for the southern countries. The CHAIRMAN. Sweden does not seem to be as much of a fish producing set-up as their Norwegian brothers.

Mr. TYSON. No; they are not.

The CHAIRMAN. That is not in the picture for the ERP, and maybe we do not need to get into that too deeply, but that shows a great big increase in imports, does it not?

Mr. TYSON. No; it is practically the same as the last 2 years and it is less than prewar.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; there is importation there, but they have to pay for it.

United Kingdom seems to be set up for a little better production and a little better supply than during the last couple of years and bigger than prewar.

Mr. TYSON. Their consumption has gone away up in United Kingdom.

The CHAIRMAN. Has their meat consumption gone down? Their imports have gone up in 1946 and 1947, and you have it stepped up here.

Mr. TYSON. It is about the same as 1946 and 1947.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; and you have 51,000 tons of ECA financing on it. Does that mean that comes from Canada?

Mr. TYSON. From Canada and the United States.

The CHAIRMAN. And the United States?

Mr. TYSON. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that salt fish?

Mr. TYSON. No; that is canned fish from the United States.
The CHAIRMAN. And salt fish from Canada?

Mr. TYSON. There might be a little, but it is mostly canned salmon, that type of fish that they do not have available at all.

The CHAIRMAN. Can they not get salmon up in their territory? Mr. TYSON. No; there is no production of salmon over there, not to amount to anything.

Mr. KINDLEBERGER. There is some sport fishing in Scotland, but not on a commercial scale.

The CHAIRMAN. What about Norway, do they have salmon?
Mr. TYSON. No; there is just a little sport fishing for them.

The CHAIRMAN. In Germany they get fish out of the GARIOA money, I suppose.

Mr. TYSON. Yes; and that is primarily from Norway and England. The CHAIRMAN. Why do they not go fishing?

Colonel BLUMENFELD. They do some fishing themselves, and they get all of their imports from the other participating countries.

The CHAIRMAN. Their prewar production was two and one-half times as large, and that is one thing we were told that they were going to try to correct in that appropriation for this GARIOA business last year, to get Germany fixed up so she could go fishing. Now, it does not look as though they have done anything about it. It rather looks like we should be expecting something.

Mr. STEFAN. And we gave them some bigger fishing vessels for that purpose.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; we arranged for that and provided funds for it, and they were supposed to do it. Why have they not doen it? Colonel BLUMENFELD. I understand there were discussions concerning $5,000,000 worth of fishing ships, but I do not recall whether or not that was actually appropriated. I think it was in the supplement that Mr. Voorhees withdrew.

The CHAIRMAN. No; that was in the GARIOA appropriation, and they were supposed to get fishing boats so that these folks could go fishing.

Colonel BLUMENFELD. I will get a statement on that for the committee.

The CHAIRMAN. It is about time they woke up about it.

Colonel BLUMENFELD. They had a program for $5,000,000 worth of available fishing vessels from New England, and it may be in the bill

now.

The CHAIRMAN. No; it is not in the present bill. It was in last year. We ought to be getting action on that, and you do not show a single bit of increased production expected. It seems to me that we are entitled to that.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Have you an availability table in terms of production and exports similar to that which you have had in respect to other commodities?

Mr. KINDLEBERGER. I think there may be fish included in this, but I am not certain.

Mr. TYSON. From the United States only.

Mr. KINDLEBERGER. Yes.

Mr. TYSON. I can give you the United States figures.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that in this [indicating]?

Mr. KINDLEBERGER. No; it is in the supplement to that.

The CHAIRMAN. We have not been furnished with that supplement. Mr. KINDLEBERGER. The Department of Commerce is going to put that in the record.

Mr. CAWLEY. I have it here, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. You have it?

Mr. CAWLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there anything more on the agricultural picture? Mr. CAWLEY. Mr. Chairman, undoubtedly when we get into equipment you will want to discuss timbering equipment, and I have arranged to have a representative from the Department of Agriculture come up with the Commerce witnesses so that you can cover that along with the other items.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. All of the other items that we have not covered are Commerce items?

Mr. CAWLEY. Yes, sir.

FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 1948.

FARM MACHINERY

STATEMENTS OF V. LEWIS BASSIE, ASSISTANT TO THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE; W. L. BECK, CHIEF, INDUSTRIAL MACHINERY SECTION, OFFICE OF DOMESTIC COMMERCE; WILLIAM H. SHAW, SPECIAL ASSISTANT, OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY; E. P. HAWK, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, COMMODITIES DIVISION, OFFICE OF INTERNATIONAL TRADE; ALBERT BRODELL, COMMODITY SPECIALIST, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE; ARTHUR SUFRIN, CHIEF, FARM MACHINERY SECTION, OFFICE OF DOMESTIC COMMERCE; EVERETT WILCOX, ACTING CHIEF, CONSTRUCTION AND MINING MACHINE SECTION, COMMODITIES DIVISION, OFFICE OF INTERNATIONAL TRADE, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE; AND DR. M. OGDON, REGIONAL SPECIALIST, OFFICE OF FOREIGN AGRICULTURAL RELATIONS, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Bassie, you are in the Commerce Department? Mr. BASSIE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. What is your position?

Mr. BASSIE. I am assistant to the Secretary.

The CHAIRMAN. How long have you been there?

Mr. BASSIE. For about 6 months now. I was deputy in the same office before that time.

The CHAIRMAN. For quite a while?

Mr. BASSIE. For something over a year.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Beck, what is your position?

Mr. BECK. I am chief of the Industrial Machinery Section of the Office of Domestic Commerce. I have been in the Department of Commerce since 1942 in the Machinery Division as Assistant Chief up until this time.

The CHAIRMAN. What about you, Mr. Shaw?

Mr. SHAW. I am special assistant in the Office of the Secretary. The CHAIRMAN. How long have you been there?

Mr. SHAW. I have been in the Office of the Secretary now for about 6 months; I have been in the Department of Commerce for about 5 years.

The CHAIRMAN. And Mr. Hawk?

Mr. HAWK. I am Deputy Director of the Commodities Division of the Office of International Trade. I have been in that position about 3 months and have been in the Department for about 11 years.

PRODUCTION, IMPORTS, TOTAL SUPPLY, DOMESTIC SUPPLY, AND EXPORTS OF NONAGRICULTURAL COMMODITIES

The CHAIRMAN. I think we will take up this table as it has been presented here, and we will put that in the record. It may develop we will want additional information or corrections, and if we do, the table will be put in as corrected rather than as is.

(The table above referred to is as follows:)