DEMONSTRATION PROGRAMS

You are asking $1.9 million for Volunteer Demonstration Programs?

Mr. BROWN. Yes.

Mr. FLOOD. We have a lot of trouble understanding these kinds of programs. Can you tell us what you want to do with that $1.9 million?

Mr. BROWN. Yes, I can, Mr. Chairman.

They consist of a number of programs, but in general are economic development, and income maintenance programs, which will work with small coopertives and others at the community-based level. Energy development at this level, we believe, can provide some options for community-based energy initiatives, based on low technology and neighborhood-based energy. Some volunteers work with families and displaced spouses, an area in which volunteers are becoming increasingly involved with the question of what happens to the family that comes apart, where does that displaced spouse go? Volunteers can be very effective, and have been.

A fourth area, with regard to institutionalization, is to provide noninstitutional options-that is, community-based options, using volunteers in the community so that it does not result in another new bureaucracy but results in people in the community taking care of other people in the community. It includes money for a small stipend for short-term volunteers to work in tasks, as I mentioned earlier, such as winterization, or the immunization of children.

SMALL GRANTS

Mr. FLOOD. On page 60 of your justifications you talk about small grants. What is the difference between small grants and those mini-grants we talked about before?

Mr. BROWN. The difference is in the state of development of the agencies to which we would give them. This is sort of the next larger organization that needs a slightly larger amount of money. Mr. FLOOD. All right.

ORGANIZATION CHART

Insert the latest oprganizational chart that you have for ACTION, the entire agency.

Mr. BROWN. Certainly.

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Mr. BROWN. Mr. Chairman, may we submit that not only for the current status but also for the reorganization plan which is currently under way?

Mr. FLOOD. All right.

REORGANIZATION

Since you became director, what kind of reorganization actions have you taken?

Mr. BROWN. Following the citizens' review, and following the review by the management consultant firms-the consultants were from the most prestigious firms and participated free of charge-we have gone forward. We have spent the last 4 months putting together a plan which we believe protects employees in terms of rights, promotions, and so on but, at the same time, moves substantially more people out of the regional office to the State office to get them closer to where people actually live; 103 people under the plan would move.

I would be happy to provide the complete reorganization plan. It has been done I think very thoughtfully and thoroughly.

Mr. FLOOD. Shows what this has accomplished?

Mr. BROWN. Yes.

Mr. FLOOD. Not just moving boxes around on a chart?

NEW POSITIONS

Why do you need those 10 new jobs in 1979? What are they for? Mr. BROWN. All 10 of those are National Youth Service.

ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS

Mr. FLOOD. How do you divide agencywide administrative costs between the Peace Corps and your domestic program? Do you have a formula for that?

Mr. BROWN. Yes. It is based on the number of full-time employees employed solely on domestic programs as compared to the number of full-time employees working exclusively on Peace Corps programs, and that overall percentage is applied to the support offices: the General Counsel; the Office of Compliances; and Policy and Planning; Administration and Finance; Director's Office; and

so on.

We have been through considerable discussions, incidentally, with the General Accounting Office and with members of the committees on both the international and domestic side. It appears everybody thinks they are paying more than their fair share. International committees ask us all the time.

Mr. FLOOD. Mr. Michel.

Mr. MICHEL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

SCHEDULE C EMPLOYEES

How many schedule C employees do you have in your shop? Mr. BROWN. I do not know. I would have to reconstruct the list. I could probably do it on my fingers now.

I do know I have 153 less excepted service positions than my predecessor.

Mr. MICHEL. Excuse me?

Mr. BROWN. I have 153 fewer excepted service positions than there were in 1972. They disappeared.

Mr. MICHEL. Provide the name, position, and current salary for all schedule C employees in ACTION, as well as their salary in their last full-time position.

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