COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts NEAL SMITH, Iowa JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York TOM BEVILL, Alabama JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts LINDY (MRS. HALE) BOGGS, Louisiana WILLIAM LEHMAN, Florida MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota VIC FAZIO, California W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina LES AUCOIN, Oregon DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii WES WATKINS, Oklahoma WILLIAM H. GRAY, III, Pennsylvania BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia CLAIR W. BURGENER, California JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1982 WEDNESDAY, MAY 6, 1981. DELEGATION FOR BASIC BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH WITNESSES DR. PAUL BERG, NOBEL LAUREATE, DEPARTMENT OF BIOCHEMISTRY, STANFORD UNIVERSITY DR. KONRAD BLOCH, NOBEL LAUREATE, SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, HARVARD UNIVERSITY DR. GEORGE DUNLOP, PROFESSOR OF SURGERY, UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS MEDICAL SCHOOL DR. MAHLON HOAGLAND, SPOKESMAN FOR THE DELEGATION AND PRESIDENT AND SCIENTIFIC DIRECTOR OF THE WORCESTER FOUNDATION FOR EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY DR. SALVADOR LURIA, NOBEL LAUREATE, DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR CANCER RESEARCH, MIT DR. STEVEN MULLER, PRESIDENT, JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY DR. GEORGE SNELL, NOBEL LAUREATE AND SENIOR SCIENTIST EMERITUS AT THE JACKSON LABORATORY DR. LEWIS THOMAS, CHANCELLOR, MEMORIAL-SLOAN KETTERING CANCER CENTER DR. DONALD WALKER, PRESIDENT, SOUTHEASTERN MASSACHUSETTS UNIVERSITY DR. JAMES WATSON, NOBEL LAUREATE AND DIRECTOR, COLD SPRING HARBOR LABORATORY Mr. NATCHER. The Committee will come to order. We have before the Committee this morning Dr. Donald Walker, Dr. Steven Muller, Dr. James Watson, Dr. Lewis Thomas, Dr. Mahlon Hoagland, Dr. Paul Berg, Dr. Salvador Luria, Dr. Konrad Bloch, Dr. George Snell and Dr. George Dunlop. We want you to know that we appreciate your attending this hearing. We start our subcommittee hearings early in the year and it takes us anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks to complete hearings on the annual appropriation bill. The Departments and agencies covered by the Labor, Health and Human Services and Education Appropriations bill account for approximately 35 percent of the budget. Including the Social Security, Railroad Retirement, and unemployment insurance and trust funds along with the amounts that we recommend for the Department of Labor and for the Department of Health and Human Services, we have outlays of about $274 billion. This bill requires careful consideration and we need all of the help, gentlemen, that we can get. And I say that to you frankly. We also have with us this morning the Chairman of (1) the Full Committee on Appropriations, Jamie Whitten of Mississippi. Mr. Chairman, it is a pleasure to have you sit with our subcommittee. Mr. WHITTEN. I am pleased to be here, Mr. Chairman. Mr. NATCHER. As I say, gentlemen, we need all of the help that we can get. We deal in this Committee with billions of dollars. Sometimes we wonder where our money is going and whether it is being well spent. Now, you have been kind enough to appear before this Committee. You know, this is our Committee. We would like for you gentlemen to feel that way too. This is our Committee, and it is our money. And that is the way we feel on the subcommittee and that is the way my Chairman, Mr. Whitten, feels on the Full Committee, as well as the balance of the Members of the Full Committee. Again I want you to know that we appreciate your appearing. We want you to talk to us. We want you to tell us what you have on your minds. Any suggestions that you have we would appreciate. We just want to hear you and we want to talk with you. We have done this once or twice before. After we hear the Secretaries of each of the three Departments, the assistant secretaries, and all of the witnesses of the Departments, then we have outside witnesses, people from all parts of the Nation. We asked you to come and appear before us, because we need your advice. This subcommittee considers appropriations for the National Institutes of Health each year, as you gentlemen well know. Over the past ten years we have appropriated $24,746,124,000. Appropriations rose from $1,476,046,000 in 1972 to $3,537,418,000 in 1981. We have steadily increased our investment in biomedical research. Gentlemen, as we go along, we want you to discuss this with us and tell us how you feel about it. Now Dr. Hoagland, are you serving as spokesman now for this group? Dr. HOAGLAND. Yes, sir. Mr. NATCHER. Well now, we are delighted to have you serve in this capacity. We want you gentlemen to proceed as you desire before the committee and we would like all of you to say something. You are going to make that arrangement, are you not? Dr. HOAGLAND. Yes, sir, I am. Mr. NATCHER. We want to hear from all of you gentlemen. Now Dr. Hoagland, we will recognize you at this point. Dr. HOAGLAND. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. In response to your immediate question I would point out to you that I plan to take about ten minutes to introduce some of our views to you. Mr. NATCHER. Go right ahead Dr. Hoagland. Dr. HOAGLAND. Thank you Mr. Chairman. I will take about ten minutes, please, to introduce some of our views to you and then ask each member of our group to speak to you for three minutes, after which I hope we can have an open give and take discussion. I would like to say that we have a very distinguished group here today and one that represents a wide range of interests in the biomedical area and I would suggest that you have a look in the folder that you have received. It contains lists of the brief biographies of each of the people here so that as we go along and you |