Statement of-Continued

Fannin, Paul J., U.S. Senator from Arizona__

Foote, Frank, section chief, Division of State Parks, Nebraska Game,
Forestation, and Parks Commission, State Capitol, Lincoln, Nebr..
Fowler, Henry H., Secretary of the Treasury.

Part

241

549

Fox, Harry G., chief inspector, Philadelphia Police Department
(accompanied Commissioner Leary).

Gonzalez, Jess C., sergeant, robbery division, Department of Police,

Los Angeles, Calif.

Gutermuth C. R., vice president, Wildlife Management Institute,

Washington, D.C. (accompanied by Daniel A. Poole, secretary,

Wildlife Management Institute).

Hease, Walter, detective, New York City Police Department (accom-
panied Commissioner Reisman) _

Hadley, Dr. E. C., president, Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manu-
facturers' Institute, New York City (accompanied by Robert C.
Barnard, counsel)....

Hellstrom, Douglas R., executive vice president, Smith & Wesson,
Inc., Springfield, Mass-

Higgins, Sgt. Edward, firearms records bureau, Massachusetts State
Police (accompanied Commissioner Richard R. Caples) -

Hilliard, E. H., Jr., managing partner, Redfield Gun Sight Corp.,

Denver, Colo..

441

160

46

531

343

335, 373

Howe, Merton W., commander, robbery division, Department of
Police, Los Angeles, Calif...

Jacobsmeyer, Adolph C., commander, special operation command,
Police Department, St. Louis, Mo.

Jenkins, Herbert T., chief of police, Atlanta, Ga..

Katzenbach, Nicholas de B., Attorney General of the United States..

Kennedy, Robert F., U.S. Senator from New York..

Kimball, Thomas L., executive director, National Wildlife Federation,

Washington, D.C..

Layton, John B., chief of police, Metropolitan Police Department,

Washington, D.C...

Leary, Howard R., commissioner, Police Department, Philadelphia, Pa.
(accompanied by Chief Inspector Harry G. Fox).

Leary, Lt. Patrick F., New York City Police Department (accom-

panied by Commissioner Leonard Reisman).

Leonard, Dr. Harmon C., president, American Society of Arms Col-
lectors, Cheshire, Conn...

Lynch, Thomas C., attorney general, State of California, Sacramento,
Calif..

McLeod, Daniel R., attorney general, State of South Carolina, Colum-

bia, S.C. (accompanied by Chief J. Preston Strom, South Carolina

Law Enforcement Division)_.

Margraves, Robert N., Director, Office of Munitions Control, Depart-

ment of State, Washington, D.C...

Mashaw, William G., executive vice president, National Retail Hard-
ware Association, Indianapolis, Ind. (Accompanied by Hardy Rick-
beil)

Maxwell, Samuel L., secretary, Washington State Sportsmen's Council,
Inc., Edmunds, Wash...

Miller, Carl K., director, records and communications division, Police

Department, Chicago, Ill.---

Nolan, Edward P., sales manager, Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc., South-
port, Conn...

Orth, Franklin L., executive vice president, National Rifle Association,
Washington, D.C. (accompanied by Harlon Carter, president)____
Palmisano, Angelo F., assemblyman, Annapolis, Md..

Pasch, Capt. Frank J., supervisor, bureau of identification, New
Jersey State Police, Trenton, N.J. (accompanied Attorney General
Arthur J. Sills). -

Piccinini, Joseph, detective, New York City Police Department (ac-
companied by Commissioner Leonard Reisman)

Poole, Daniel A., secretary, Wildlife Management Institute, Washing-
ton, D.C. (accompanied C. R. Gutermuth, vice president).

291

Statement of-Continued

Reisman, Leonard E., deputy commissioner, New York City Police
Department (accompanied by Detectives Joseph Piccinini and
Walter Haase, and Lt. Partick Leary).

Rick beil, Hardy, member of the board of directors, National Retail
Hardware Association, Worthington, Minn. (accompanied by
William G. Mashaw, executive vice president) -

Saylor, John P., U.S. Representative, 22d District, Pennsylvania _ _

Siatos, Thomas J., editor and publisher, Guns & Ammo magazine,

Los Angeles, Calif

Sikes, Robert L. F., U.S. Representative, First District, Florida...

Sills, Arthur J., attorney general, Department of Law and Public

Safety, State House, Trenton, N.J. (accompanied by Capt. Frank

J. Pasch, New Jersey State Police)..

Strom, J. Preston, chief, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division,

Columbia, S.C. (accompanied by Attorney General Daniel R.

McLeod)

Waldman, William J., vice president, Klein's Sporting Goods, Chicago,

Ill...

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602

633

390

615

669

394

655

Tydings, Joseph D., U.S. Senator from Maryland.

421

671

Woodward, Harry R., director, Colorado Game, Fish, and Parks De-
partment, Denver, Colo..--

185

CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

MAY 19, 1965

Fowler, Henry H., Secretary of the Treasury_

Katzenbach, Nicholas deB., Attorney General of the United States..

Ailes, Stephen, Secretary of the Army.

Cohen, Sheldon S., Commissioner, Internal Revenue Service_

MAY 20, 1965

Kennedy, Robert F., U.S. Senator from New York.

Lynch, Thomas C., attorney general, State of California.

Margrave, Robert N., Director, Office of Munitions Control, Department

87

89

of State.

126

Gonzalez, Jess C., sergeant, Los Angeles Police Department_

Howe, Merton W., commander of the robbery division, Los Angeles

Police Department..

133

160

Woodward, Harry R., director, Colorado Game, Fish, and Parks Com-

mission..

185

MAY 21, 1965

Orth, Franklin L., executive vice president, National Rifle Association

(accompanied by Harlon Carter, president).

195

Fannin, Paul J., U.S. Senator from Arizona_

Allott, Gordon, U.S. Senator from Colorado..

241

247

Kimball, Thomas L., executive director, National Wildlife Federation...

Leonard, Dr. Harmon, president, American Society of Arms Collectors___

254

269

JUNE 2, 1965

Miller, Carl K., director, records and communications division, Chicago

Police Department..

274

Layton, John B., Chief of Police, Metropolitan Police Department, Wash-

ington, D.C.

Gutermuth. C. R., vice president, Wildlife Management Institute (ac-

companied by Daniel A. Poole, secretary, Wildlife Management

Institute).

Carter, Howard, Jr., attorney and director of the National Shooting
Sports Foundation, Inc., Riverside, Conn. (accompanied by Charles
Dickey, director, National Shooting Sports Foundation) ----

Hilliard, E. H. Jr., managing partner, Redfield Gun Sight Co., Denver,

Colo

281

291

314

335, 373

JUNE 3, 1965

Caples, Richard R., commissioner, Department of Public Safety, Boston,

Mass. (accompanied by Lt. John E. Collins and Sgt. Edward Higgins,

Massachusetts State Police)..

Dingell, John D., U.S. Representative, 16th District, Michigan.

Saylor, John P., U.S. Representative, 22d District, Pennsylvania

Sills, Arthur J., attorney general, Department of Law and Public Safety,

State House, Trenton, N.J. (accompanied by Capt. Frank J. Pasch,

New Jersey State Police) -

Hadley, Dr. E.C., president, Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufac-

turers' Institute (accompanied by Robert C. Barnard, counsel)------

JUNE 8, 1965

Tydings, Joseph D., U.S. Senator from Maryland.
Blondes. Leonard S., assemblyman, Annapolis, Md.
Palmisano, Angelo F.. assemblyman, Annapolis, Md.

Leary, Howard R., commissioner, Philadelphia Police Department (ac-
companied by Harry J. Fox, chief inspector) -

Comstock, Hilliard, chairman, legislative committee and past president of

the National Rifle Association, Washington, D.C.----

JUNE 24, 1965

Bennett, James V., consultant, former Director, Bureau of Prisons...-
Jenkins, Herbert T., chief of police, Atlanta, Ga_-

Nolan, Edward P., sales manager, Sturm, Ruger & Co., Southport, Conn..
Hellstrom, Douglas R., executive vice president, Smith & Wesson, Inc.,
Springfield, Mass..

JUNE 30, 1965

Foote, Frank, section chief, Nebraska Game, Forestation, and Parks
Commission___.

Brostron, Curtis, chief of police, St. Louis, Mo..

Jacobsmeyer, Maj. Adolph C., St. Louis Police Department.-

JULY 1, 1965

Reisman, Leonard E., deputy commissioner, New York City Police Depart-
ment (accompanied by detectives Joseph Piccinini and Walter Hease,
and Lt. Patrick Leary)..

Rickbeil, Hardy, member of board of directors, National Retail Hardware

Association (accompanied by William G. Mashaw, executive vice presi-

dent, National Retail Hardware Association)

Siatos, Thomas J., publisher and editorial director, "Guns & Ammo"

magazine

601

615

633

639

Dennis, Robert T., assistant conservation director of the Izaak Walton

League of America..

JULY 20, 1965

Champion, Hale, director of finance, State of California. -

McLeod, Daniel R., attorney general, State of South Carolina (accompanied

by J. Preston Strom, chief, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division).

Dowdy, John, U.S. Representative, Seventh District, Texas----

Sikes, Robert L. F., U.S. Representative, First District, Florida

Waldman, William J., vice president, Klein's Sporting Goods. - - -

Maxwell, Samuel L., Washington State Sportsmen's Council.

JULY 27, 1965

Cummings, Samuel, president, International Armament Corp--

649

65

667

663

671

659

EXHIBITS

1. Text of S. 1592, dated March 22, 1965__

2. Text of S. 14, dated January 6, 1965..

3. Text of S. 1180, dated February 18, 1965-

4. Text of S. 1965, dated May 13, 1965.

5. Charts showing an analysis of types of firearms shipped into New York

City and New York State from one mail-order house during 1961,

1962, and 1963__

6. Advertisements from a photostat copy of the Shotgun News, pages 1

and 4 of the May 15, 1965, issue_-

7.

Memorandum by the General Counsel of the Treasury Department re

"Federal Firearms Control and the Second Amendment”.

8. Memorandum by the Acting General Counsel of the Treasury Depart-

ment on the "Constitutional Basis for Federal Firearms Legislation"-

9. Statistics from Uniform Crime Reports, 1963, on States, homicides,

and gun laws_

10. Letter from Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara recommend-

ing enactment of S. 1592, dated April 30, 1965--

*11. Insert of Herblock cartoon which appeared in the Washington Post on

December 29, 1964, by Mr. Cohen_-_

13. Hy Hunter Catalog and Training Manual No. 3.

12. Appendix to Mr. Cohen's statement, an analysis of bill S. 1592 by

Douglas C. Dillon, former Secretary of the Treasury-

75

93

14. Excerpts from catalog of Service Armament Co., 689 Bergen Boule-

vard, Ridgefield, N.J...

108

15. Photograph of a .37-mm. German-made cannon left on the courthouse

lawn in Santa Barbara, Calif _ .

117

16. Photograph of Jerry's, a gunshop in Oceanside, Calif

118

17. Photograph of weapons for sale in Jerry's Gun Shop, Oceanside,

Calif

119

18. Photograph of weapons for sale in Jerry's Gun Shop, Oceanside,

Calif.

120

19. Photograph of advertisement of Universal Firearms Corp., Hialeah,

Fla., for "The Enforcer".

122

20. Photograph showing comparison of M-1 carbine versus "The En-

forcer"

123

shoulder stock attached (Romero case).

21. Police report on gun and explosives-evidence against Robert Ro-

mero, 5030 Stern Avenue, Van Nuys, Calif., October 15, 1964--

22. The Romero Arsenal__

23. Machinegun barrels and parts (Romero case) - -

24. Captain Howe holding 9-mm. Browning parabellum automatic with

25. Arsenal which includes full automatic machineguns (Romero case).

26. 9-mm German MP-40 machine pistol (submachinegun) develop-

ed by the Schmeisser factory in Germany. Full automatic only

(Romero case)_.

27. .223 caliber Colt AR-15 rifle model SP-1. Semiautomatic, 214-

inch barrel including a prong-type flash suppressor which can be

used as a grenade launcher..

28. M-1 Caliber U.S. carbine model M1 A1. Manufactured by Inland

Manufacturing Division, General Motors 1-44. Semiautomatic.

Designed for use by paratroopers (Romero case)-

29. 7.92 caliber (German service cartridge) German MG 34 light_ma-

chinegun. Manufactured by CRA 1941 (barrel plugged). Full-

or semi-automatic (Romero case) -

147

30. Full automatic Bren MK 3-1945 machinegun, series No. LB 19791

(Romero case)-

148

31. Inventory of Robert A. Smith, Francis A. Owens..

150

32. 5-ton trucks used by Robert A. Smith and his traveling gun salesman

operation.

151

33. Interior of van truck depicting ammunition boxes and a wooden crate

containing a Lahti 20-mm. antitank cannon (Smith case)--

151

34. View of machineguns and aerial bomb (Smith case) --

35. An assortment of rifles found in the van truck (Smith case)-

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153

36. Closeup of mortar in wooden crate (Smith case)....

37. Closeup of one of the mortars found in the van truck (Smith case).......

38. Chart: Weapons destroyed by the Los Angeles Police Department as

provided in section 12028 Čalifornia Penal Code...

39. Chart: Robberies reported to the Los Angeles Police Department,

1956 through 1964...

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155

156

157

40. Chart: Robberies with guns used, reported to the Los Angeles Police

Department, 1956 through 1964-

157

41. Chart: Aggravated assaults reported to the Los Angeles Police De-

partment, 1956 through 1964..

157

42. Chart: Homicides reported to the Los Angeles Police Department,

1956 through 1964--

158

43. Chart illustrating the rise of bank robberies in the city of Los Angeles-

*44. Advertisement of the Mellinger Corp., a correspondence school located

at 1554 South Sepulveda Boulevard, Los Angeles, Calif., from

Master Detective magazine concerning a sales training course in the

importing and mail order merchandising of guns..

*45. Advertisement from True magazine by the Mellinger Corp. concern-

ing mail-order merchandising of guns.

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161

161

*46. Literature offering courses in mail-order merchandising of guns by

the Mellinger Corp----

161

47. Advertisement from Shotgun News, October 15, 1963, concerning sale

of German Lugers by Mr. Roger A. Dier _ _

48. Property report of Los Angeles Police Department concerning seizure

of goods at the residence of Mr. Roger A. Dier in Los Angeles...

49. Sheriff of Ventura County's report on Harold A. Schlapia, dated

June 28, 1964.

50. Harold A. Schlapia-Camouflage gear, backpacks, books on chemical

warfare, how to handle explosives, mine laying, survival, and other

similar information..........

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164

168

171

51. Harold A. Schlapia—Ammunition, rifles, and other equipment of the

type used in military maneuvers.

172

173

52. Harold A. Schlapia-Arsenal seized with arrest of above mentioned

subject which included gas mask kits, gas decontamination kits, 40

quad maps of the Sequoia National Park area.

53. News clip from the Los Angeles Times, Thursday, February 21, 1963,

concerning seizure of 1,660 pistols and revolvers by Los Angeles

customs agents. The shipment was destined for the Crown Inter-

national Firearms, Inc., a firm owned by Hy Hunter, 8255 Sunset

Boulevard, Los Angeles, Calif

175

54. Property report of Sgt. Jess C. Gonzalez, Los Angeles Police Depart-

ment on seizure of goods from Haywood "Hy" Hunter_____

55. Series of photographs of conversion of a Hy Hunter firearm from a

blank revolver to a .45 caliber firearm_.

59. Advertisement from Shotgun News, June 1, 1964, for Hy Hunter

Weapons...

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183

60. Advertisement from Shotgun News, May 1, 1965, concerning imported

firearms.

61. Legislative Bulletin of the National Rifle Association sent to all

members and clubs in Prince Georges County, Md., on bill No. 13

an ordinance to amend the existing weapons law of that county...

62. Letter dated April 9, 1965, from the National Rifle Association of

America (Franklin L. Orth, executive vice president) to NRA

membership...

63. Treasury Department analysis of the National Rifle Association

letter to the NRA members dated April 9, 1965, concerning S. 1592

64. Letter dated August 5, 1965, from Franklin L. Orth, executive vice

president, National Rifle Association, to the Honorable Thomas J.

Dodd, U.S. Senate

65. Article from the American Bar Association Journal, June and July

1965 (vol. 61, No. 6 and 7) entitled "The Lost Amendment," by

Robert A. Sprecher__--

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