of this proceedings a list of all salaries of all members of his Institute.

Dr. STURGES. Mr. Chairman, will it be out of order to make one statement? So far as Mr. Doran is concerned, that is ancient history. The statement of his salary was while he was director. He is not now director. In our case, salaries are known to be our present salaries.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. You have already stated your grounds for your desire not to produce it.

Dr. STURGES. I am not putting it on any technical grounds whatsoever, nor reserving the question as to your jurisdiction. I feel it is just a matter of concession to the 21 employees of the Distilled Spirits Institute. I am perfectly willing to supply the data. I can supply the data for you to the committee or otherwise.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. I will ask you to remain, if you will. Can you remain for a few minutes until we have an executive session to determine the matter?

Dr. STURGES. I shall be very pleased to.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Mr. Buck, I think we will conclude this hearing with that understanding, that the committee will go into executive session to determine the matter and the doctor, if it so determines, shall return and produce those figures.

Mr. BUCK. I would like to reserve this arrangement with the committee, that in the event the committee should conclude that the doctor' ought not to state or answer the question, that the committee reconvene and permit me to call Norman Baxter, who is on the list of witnesses for the hearing, just as a matter of inquiry.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Very well. However, we will go into executive session at the present time.

(Whereupon the committee went into a brief executive session.) Àcting Chairman WILLIAMS. The committee will be in order.

Mr. Buck. Dr. Sturges, I will ask you to state to the committee the annual salaries paid by the Distilled Spirits Institute to the director, public-relations counsel, the secretary and treasurer, and the organizer.

Dr. STURGES. The secretary and general counsel and the organizer?

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. The committee has decided that that is germane and that the answer should be given.

Dr. STURGES. I am very pleased to give it. The director of public relations, $22,500; the secretary and general counsel, $12,000; the organizer, $6,000.

Mr. BUCK. And the director.
Dr. ŞTURGES. Did you ask my own? $30,000.
Mr. Davis. Those are the salaries at the present time?
Dr. STURGES. At this moment; yes, sir.
Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Í think that is all.
Mr. Buck. That is all I have.
(Dr. Sturges was excused from the stand.)

Mr. Buck. Mr. Chairman, that concludes the hearing, I think, because it is nearly 6 o'clock. I want to make this statement. First,

want to express my thanks to the members of the industry whó have come here and testified; and, secondly, I want to thank the committee for its indulgence, the many kindnesses to me in particular.

I want to say that this hearing is not as complete as I would like to see it. Necessarily we have had to pass over very many important facts because of the lack of time. In fact, we have been unable to use many very important witnesses because of the time at the disposal of the committee for the hearing.

I would suggest, therefore, that the committee allow or request the Federal Trade Commission to supplement the hearing by the filing of the report, based upon available statistics, and the answers to questionnaires that have heretofore been circulated to the industry, and that that report be considered as part of this hearing in the record.

Acting Chairman Williams. Is that a request that this report you speak of be part of the printed record ?

Mr. BUCK. Yes, sir; when filed. I feel that that is material in order to fill in many of the gaps we have been required to leave because of the lack of time.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. If there is no objection to that, that will be done.

Dr. LUBIN. Mr. Chairman, may I just interrupt? Under the rules and regulations adopted by the committee in its first session, definite arrangement was made relative to the receipt of certain types of information to go into the record, and, with your permission, sir, may I suggest that the decision be held in abeyance, pending a decision by the full committee?

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Yes; that may be done.

Mr. Buck. I simply wanted to leave the thought with the committee that such a report would make the hearing more complete and more valuable.

Dr. LUBIN. I don't feel there would be any objection to such a procedure, but I am thinking only in terms of those absent members of the committee.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Do you mean by that that the suggested report which you have should be submitted to the committee for consideration, as to whether they will admit it to the record or not?

Mr. BUCK. As I understand Dr. Lubin, he knows that there is some rule of the committee made at its first session, and it would require the consideration of the full committee to pass upon this question.

Dr. LUBIN. No; it would not require such action, but I was suggesting we delay it pending a meeting of the full committee.

Mr. Buck. I want to leave the thought with the committee.

Dr. STURGES. May I ask one question, whether or not the industry, the Distilled Spirits Institute acting, would be privileged to submit a brief before this committee?

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. I rather think not under the ruling here in addition to what you have already stated in the record.

Mr. Davis. That would have to be determined by the committee.

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Of course, I suppose the committee could permit that.

Dr. STURGES. I should like to request the opportunity of submitting a memorandum.

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Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. That may be done. You may submit the memorandum to the committee to determine whether or not it should be incorporated in the record.

Dr. STURGES. At what time limit?

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. This committee is to stand in recess, at the call of the chairman, just when I don't know. It perhaps will be in recess here for a week or 10 days.

Dr. STURGES. May I contact the committee after the recess?

Acting Chairman WILLIAMS. Yes; you may contact the chairman, Senator O'Mahoney, at any time as to when the next meeting will be.

With that, the committee will now stand in recess at the call of the chairman.

(Whereupon, at 5:45 p. m., an adjournment was taken subject to the call of the chairman.)

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