Mr. DIXON. And just one further question. Mr. Young asked about the salaries of officers and employees and expenditures the $83 million, $11.2 million has been spent. Is that the total penditure, or is there just some that isn't in that figure? It se very low, working on an $83 million budget.

Mr. ANFINSON. That was, that is total appropriations, so tha personnel as well as nonpersonnel budget for the year. Howe only $11 million has been spent through the first 3 months.

FY '96 SPENDING DISCUSSION

Mr. DIXON. Only $11 million actually has been spent.

Mr. ANFINSON. That is correct.

Mr. DIXON. In the first 3 months.

Mr. FAULKNER. Yes.

Mr. DIXON. And so there are no outstanding bills. In other wo what I am saying is, if you were to multiply this by 4, it wo come out to like $50 million.

Mr. ANFINSON. There are other expenditures that are anticipa later in the year. Contractual and other things that may not h hit yet, but will hit later on.

Mr. FAULKNER. But I guess his question is, is this a fully enc bered number?

Mr. DIXON. Right.

Mr. ANFINSON. This is actual amount that is disbursed, not c gated, but disbursed.

Mr. FAULKNER. So an obligated number might be higher.

Mr. DIXON. So an obligated number would be higher than t Mr. ANFINSON. Once we establish our new financial syst which we will talk about later, we will have the capability of tra ing funds.

Mr. DIXON. Mr. Young commented about how it is quite a low ure here, but there are obviously some funds that are not in number.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Young?
Mr. YOUNG. No questions.
Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Wicker?

Mr. WICKER. No questions.

OVERTIME ESTIMATE FOR CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Mr. PACKARD. One last question that I would have. How is y agency-how are you dealing with overtime? I didn't see any lis in your it is listed as zero, and I was just wondering if you h addressed that.

Ms. CARLE. We tracked the previous 12 months of what our o time would have been under the new law, and that ended up be $372,908, if we had paid it in the last year. We are taking cert management steps, I think, that will reduce that number as look at 1997, but I think it will be an equally busy year. Our so driven by the legislative floor hours. I think it will be a lo number. I still think it will be a significant number, but we are ticipating that within the budget that we have in front of you n

Mr. PACKARD. So you do intend to comply and then the figures will you feel this budget proposal absorbs whatever you feel the overtime cost will be? Please submit details for the record.

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Question. At this point in the record, please submit a detailed table which reflects your budget comparisons with the current FY 1996 budget, and indicate overtime and FTE changes.

Response. The information follows:

Ms. CARLE. Yes. I think last year was as significantly a busy year as you would have, so that could be a high watermark, and as I said, the $372,908, we can get that lower, but it is still going to be a significant amount of money.

Mr. PACKARD. Are you requesting any additional FTEs? Ms. CARLE. The six for the new office, the new House Employment Counsel. When added to other reductions, it is an increase of one FTE.

Mr. PACKARD. I wonder, Ed, if that will if we will see a reflection of the reduction in FTEs as we have transferred some of these responsibilities from other areas.

Ms. CARLE. No.

Mr. PACKARD. This is a new office, okay.

You mentioned that you absorbed transfers from other parts of the House, and thus this budget is higher.

Ms. CARLE. Yes.

Mr. PACKARD. Will we see reductions in those areas? I guess that is what I am questioning. You will reflect savings in other areas as we transfer responsibilities?

OFFICE OF COMPLIANCE FISCAL IMPACT

Mr. FAULKNER. One part of it was the Office of Compliance that we had funded in 1996 as the start-up, which is now all moved into a separate account, so that reflects through our legislative side.

Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Young.

Mr. YOUNG. For the Office of Compliance, what is it going to cost us in overtime to fund the Office of Compliance? What is it going to cost the taxpayer to have this new compliance regulation?

Mr. ANFINSON. There was an estimate made, Mr. Young. I don't recall the exact amount, around $2.5 million, I believe, to operate the Office of Compliance, which is separate from the House budget, and funds were transferred in for the operation of that for 1996. Mr. PACKARD. Is that in addition to what we are going to see in each individual agency as they comply?

Mr. FAULKNER. Entirely possible, because we are already-we are starting to track and starting to include the staff hours that have already gone into developing personnel policies, both for the different officers of the House as well as models from the Oversight Committee to Member offices. When you start to look at the compliance training going on and, the fact that the employees of the House ultimately should sit through either actual presentations or watch videotapes to understand all of the different aspects of compliance, it could be a fairly large number.

It is obviously at this point we are, within 1996, we are absorbing those costs, but when you start to have people who are making X amount of dollars a year sitting for maybe anywhere from 1 to 12 hours of time in the classroom, even if that is done over a period of weeks, that is a cost.

Mr. YOUNG. Are you talking about special orders when you talk about having staff sit and watch or listen?

POTENTIAL COST OF COMPLIANCE

Mr. FAULKNER. We are looking at the issue that if someone wants to learn about sexual harassment or how to take care of compensatory time, either through comp time or payment of time, that there are videotapes and there are trainings that been occurring since before Christmas, and when you start to a person, let's say, making $30,000 a year on a per-hour bas they are sitting in on that, then they are doing that instea working on constituent mail or working on a new piece of leg tion. So that is what you could start to extrapolate into a co compliance that we have not budgeted yet. It is now just being sorbed.

OVERTIME IMPACT FROM SPECIAL ORDERS

Ms. CARLE. The issue of special orders, for instance, is somet that we have contemplated in this budget, and since last year a high watermark, I think that we are ahead of that.

Mr. YOUNG. If you get a break in some extra time, withou verting to additional overtime, would you give us an idea of v last year's-calendar year 1995-what those special orders w have cost had we been paying overtime under the compliance as will in 1996? Don't create any overtime to do this; but, if you I would be curious.

Ms. CARLE. This is a question that has actually already b asked of my office, and we don't break down the special ord time. It is not broken out as a time within the record, and so can get some broad numbers.

But one of the areas where we actually have been able to s to manage a little bit better in terms of what our overtime ho would be is within the Office of Official Reporters. Because we doing quite a bit of cross training in that shop and people area to work in more regular hours because we can put people on st a little bit better because we have people that can do both now we are already seeing some reduction that way in terms of how would have to deal with overtime.

Mr. YOUNG. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Wicker?
Mr. WICKER. No.

ELECTRONIC INFORMATION FOR MEMBERS

Mr. PACKARD. In your statement-in your prepared statem you have addressed, I think very well, your efforts to move n and more toward electronic information for the Members; and I plaud you for that because that is certainly a direction that have tried to encourage in every agency. But are you not dupli ing some of the efforts that are being done over at the Librar Congress in much of the same area and have you discussed or ordinated with them what they are doing and what you are do

Ms. CARLE. Well, the Library of Congress does have a report now that perhaps you are making reference to.

What we are doing in terms of electronic information and puterization is creating the product. A lot of what they are d is the dissemination of that product. So the work that has under way here in the last year in terms of Bill 2,000 and the tronic Congressional Record project, those kinds of things I am ing a lot of forward motion.