Mr. DAVISON. Of course, we both use that field now. It is completely under Army control, and there would not be any change so far as that is concerned.

General FECHET. Admiral Moffett asked me

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. How many acres have you on your new site? Major KENNEDY. With the 408 acres we contemplate it will be one continuous field.

General FECHET. I told Admiral Moffett that that is unsettled at present. They are on the edge of the new flying field.

Mr.WAINWRIGHT. That is going to be exclusively an Army Air Service field?

Mr. DAVISON. Absolutely.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Removed from any possibility of the Navy trespassing on it?

Mr. DAVISON. As far as we are concerned.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Unless Congress or some other authority, or the War Department, decides differently?

Mr. DAVISON. That is right.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. If the Navy took the present Bolling Field, would there be room enough for the Navy?

Mr. DAVISON. There would be ample room; there is no question about that.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. That would be possible. So the practical situation would be that you would have a new 500 acres that you would

control?

Mr. DAVISON. Yes; and they would continue to operate on the present field.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Have you a frontage on the water so that the Army can use the hydroplanes?

Mr. DAVISON. Yes; it is along the river.

Major EMMONS. The original license to the Navy authorized the Army to use the hangars, which we have never done.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. You are contemplating a complete divorcement and separation of all joint activities down there, are you not?

Mr. DAVISON. Except, of course, that the fields are contiguous; they go right into one another. It will be made a continuous flying field. But the new field is on much higher ground, and living conditions are far superior.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. There will not be any joint occupation of that field?

Mr. DAVIS. Of the new field there will be no joint occupation. Mr. JAMES. If you do not send a regiment of troops down there you will find some day that you have lost half of it.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. I think there is a good deal of confusion of thought about the matter at the present time. I think it is wise to get your statement as to what the exact situation is. Mr. JAMES. You may proceed, General Summerall.

FORT BRAGG, N. C.

General SUMMERALL. The bill introduced yesterday by Mr. James authorized new construction at this station as follows: $400,000 for barracks to accommodate 456 men; $25,000 for four sets of noncom

missioned officers' quarters; $375,000 to complete the hospital of 150 beds.

Congress has previously authorized the following new construction at this station: $1,118,000 for barracks which will accommodate 1,863 enlisted men; $291,000 for quarters to accommodate 44 noncommissioned officers; $780,000 for quarters to accommodate 56 officers; $60,000 for quarters to accommodate 25 nurses, complete; and $100,000 for a hospital ward to accommodate 20 patients.

No permanent quarters existed at this station prior to the inauguration of the Army housing program by the last Congress. The funds authorized previously provided the first permanent construction. Housing is still required for 303 officers, 87 noncommissioned officers, and 1,314 men.

CARLISLE BARRACKS, PA.

The bill introduced yesterday by Mr. James authorizes new construction at this station as follows: $120,000 for barracks to accommodate 150 men; $80,000 for the beginning of construction of a central heating plant, the total cost of which will amount to approximately $302,000.

Congress has previously authorized new construction at this station as follows: $110,000 for mess hall and kitchen.

The permanent quarters at this station accommodate 449 enlisted men, 3 noncommissioned officers, and 36 officers. To complete the housing program, 38 noncommissioned officers' quarters will still be required.

Mr. MCSWAIN. Are all the officers and enlisted personnel at Carlisle Barracks in the Medical Corps?

General SUMMERALL. Yes; they are in the Medical Corps.

Mr. MCSWAIN. Why is it necessary to have such a large enlisted personnel there?

General SUMMERALL. The first medical regiment is stationed there for the purpose of training officers for the Regular Army and the civilian components in the field training activities of a medical regi

ment.

Mr. JAMES. You may proceed, General.

FORT HAMILTON, N. Y.

General SUMMERALL. The bill introduced yesterday by Mr. James authorizes new construction at this station as follows: $60,000 for an addition to the hospital.

No new construction has been authorized at this station since the inauguration of the Army housing program by the last Congress.

The permanent quarters at this station accommodate 496 enlisted men, 15 noncommissioned officers, and 33 officers. This completes the hospital requirements at this station and completes the program except that 22 officers' quarters, 21 noncommissioned officers' quarters, and barracks for 356 men will still be required.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. May I interrupt you there, in reference to the number of hospitals at all these posts? Has there ever been any thought of having concentrated permanent hospitals for the Regular Army, having them more concentrated than they are to-day?

I can readily see that for emergency purposes it is necessary to have the hospital accommodations of some kind at posts, but I am wondering if there has been any consideration given to the subject of the concentration of hospitals in corps areas, for instance, and whether there would be in saving in overhead and administrative costs.

General SUMMERALL. Yes; there is a very definite program planned. Take the second corps area, for example. There is a corps area hospital at Fort Totten, where the old hospital was converted into a corps area hospital, and while it is not entirely suitable, it does take care of serious medical and surgical cases in the second corps area. The most serious cases may be sent to Walter Reed Hospital, and many are so sent.

Then, at each post, there is a hospital to take care of lesser sick and the minor surgical operations. No centralized hospital could be economically constructed to take care of all the sick of all categories. So we have three hospitals of that type and then we have hospitals taking care of the great mass of ailments, and then we have corps area hospitals taking care of the most serious cases, with good surgeons and nurses to take care of those cases. There are no nurses at the post hospitals.

Then we have the great hospitals like Walter Reed and Fitzsimons for special cases.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Is there a central hospital now in every corps area?

General SUMMERALL. There is a central hospital for all classes of cases in the First and Second Corps Areas. The Third Corps Area uses the Walter Reed Hospital. There is a central hospital in the Fourth Corps Area, but the Fifth Corps Area has no corps area hospital. We hope to get a provision for nurses in the present appropriation bill. If they want nurses, they have to go to the Fort Hayes Hospital, at Columbus, Ohio, and use that as a corps area hospital.

The Sixth Corps Area uses the Fort Wright Hospital, where there are nurses.

The Seventh Corps Area has no corps area hospital at present. The Eighth Corps Area uses the hospital at Fort Sam Houston, which is a base hospital.

The Ninth Corps Area uses the large hospital at the Presidio, the Letterman Hospital. So all the corps areas, except the Fifth and Seventh have corps area hospitals, and we hope to provide them as soon as we can get nurses for them.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. You think under the present regulations and policies there is a sufficient concentration of serious cases in your central hospitals?

General SUMMERALL. Yes, sir.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. And you can take care of those cases in the base hospitals?

General SUMMERALL. We think it is divided in such a way as to give the best and most expeditious care for the sick, with the greatest

economy.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. Take, for instance, a county like the county. where I live, where the population is fairly congested, extending over an area, approximately, of 40 by 40 miles, each one of the communi

ties attempting to keep up a hospital. There is a great deal of thought being given in places of that kind to the concentration of hospitals in those localities rather than having their purely local institutions.

General SUMMERALL. The Fort Hamilton Hospital not only handles the sick in that station, but it is also a discharge and replacement center, and when a transport comes in they will send a large number of patients out there with mild diseases, and its enlargement is to accommodate that need.

Mr. JAMES. What is your next item?

FORT BENJAMIN HARRISON, IND.

General SUMMERALL. The bill introduced yesterday by Mr. James authorizes new construction at this station, as follows: $130,000 for an addition to the hospital to accommodate 32 patients and to provide for a kitchen, a mess hall, and quarters for the medical detach

ment.

Congress has previously authorized new construction at this station, as follows: $54,000 for quarters to accommodate eight married noncommissioned officers; $50,000 for a service club; and $375,000 for barracks to accommodate 491 enlisted men.

The permanent quarters at this station prior to the inauguration of the Army housing program by the last Congress accommodate 1,024 enlisted men, 11 noncommissioned officers, and 48 officers. This completes the hospital requirements of this station. This completes the program for this station except that accommodations will still be required for 32 officers, 21 noncommissioned officers, and 64 men in barracks.

Mr. JAMES. The $375,000 took care of every enlisted man at Fort Benjamin Harrison who was not already housed. Is it the intention to move any more men there?

General SUMMERALL. NO.

Mr. JAMES. That takes care of everybody who is intended to be there?

General SUMMERALL. We do not expect to put any more enlisted men at this post.

I would like to explain that right now we have in contemplation two moves which will avoid this necessity. We are not going to sell Fort Wayne, Mich., and have asked for its withdrawal because of its great value as a station, and because of the very important populated center where there are many industries.

We have moved a battalion of the Second Infantry there and we propose, although it has not been approved or ordered-we plan to move the headquarters of the Second Infantry and Infantry headquarters unit from Fort Sheridan, Ill., to Fort Wayne, and that will give Fort Wayne the garrison for which it was originally constructed. We propose then to replace the Second Infantry headquarters and headquarters unit at Fort Sheridan by the Third Field Artillery headquarters and headquarters units now at Camp Knox, Ky.

That will then give us at Fort Sheridan two Field Artillery headquarters units and two batteries and a battalion of the Second In

fantry and a squadron of Cavalry. So the actual units, while of different arms, will be the same as they are now.

Mr. JAMES. What will you do with the men now at Camp Knox? General SUMMERALL. They will go to Fort Sheridan.

Mr. JAMES. You will not have any men at Camp Knox at all? General SUMMERALL. No, sir. The headquarters and headquarters units of the Third Field Artillery moved to Camp Knox, and through the development in our housing program we sent Engineers from Fort Bliss to Fort McIntosh, where these headquarters were stationed, with a battalion of the Fourth Field Artillery, and we moved the battalion to Fort Robinson to occupy vacant houses.

Mr. JAMES. When I was at Fort Wayne last June they showed me some buildings there where somebody outside of the War Department wanted to use them for storing liquor, and so forth. I was very much disturbed about that under the new arrangement.

General SUMMERALL. We will occupy every building at Fort Wayne, and we will need a few more buildings for stables and for noncommissioned officers.

Mr. JAMES. That is under this bill?

General SUMMERALL. Yes, sir.

Mr. JAMES. Of course, one reason why we are not selling Fort Wayne is that we figured we would get five or six million dollars for it. Somebody representing the War Department went up there and got into the hands of pirates, to put it mildly, and put a price on that property of $2.600.000, and I served notice on the powers that be that although that was in Michigan, when somebody in Michigan got this property worth five or six million dollars for $2.600,000, that was not going to be allowed. Then I took the matter up with General Summerall and asked to have somebody else to go up there. After I read his report it seemed to me he was more concerned about putting up an alibi for the fellow who was there before him, who had been horn-swaggled, than he was to see that we got five or six million dollars for that property. That stopped it. They were going to carry it into the courts, but the Attorney General ruled that we were right.

To have somebody go up there and see this valuable property in the city of Detroit and put an estimate on it of $2,600,000, when it is worth five or six millions dollars, is an outrage.

Mr. MCSWAIN. You mean it was offered for sale, and the War Department refused to accept the bid, and the bidder whose bid was rejected proposed to take it into court?

Mr. JAMES. That was the suggestion.

Mr. MCSWAIN. They refused to accept the appraised valuation? Mr. JAMES. I told them I thought we had been defrauded.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. May I ask this question: Does the appropriation in the post construction fund come from the sale of surplus Army property? That was the original proposition we started with. Have we gotten away from that?

Mr. JAMES. Of course, it has narrowed down to this.

Mr. WAINWRIGHT. The original proposition was that there should be this fund established?

Mr. JAMES. We were to use all the money we could get from the sale of surplus property for the construction of Army housing, but